Can I be conscripted if I apply for visa extension?

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Postby Satellite TV » 04 Dec 2004, 10:36

ac_dropout wrote:The key is the Hu Kuo family registry. If you're not in it, then your safe.

Detaining at the airport because of place of birth is ROC is not enough.

How do they know you didn't serve already? You've never heard of records?

If you have no documents linking your Chinese names and you have no ROC registry number, you're basically a foriegner.


He lived here until 6, so he will have been in the Hu Ko...
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Postby Tetsuo » 04 Dec 2004, 11:14

Satellite TV wrote:
ac_dropout wrote:The key is the Hu Kuo family registry. If you're not in it, then your safe.

Detaining at the airport because of place of birth is ROC is not enough.

How do they know you didn't serve already? You've never heard of records?

If you have no documents linking your Chinese names and you have no ROC registry number, you're basically a foriegner.


He lived here until 6, so he will have been in the Hu Ko...


Yes, but again:
US Passport - only English name, so how do they know who he is in the hukou?
Sure, it'll say Place of Birth: Taipei (or whatever), but how do they know from that one piece of information that -
a) He hasn't already completed his service.
b) He hasn't given up his Taiwanese citizenship.
And thirdly, place of birth doesn't necessarily automatically grant citizenship, afaik.
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Postby Satellite TV » 04 Dec 2004, 16:27

Tetsuo wrote:
Satellite TV wrote:
ac_dropout wrote:The key is the Hu Kuo family registry. If you're not in it, then your safe.

Detaining at the airport because of place of birth is ROC is not enough.

How do they know you didn't serve already? You've never heard of records?

If you have no documents linking your Chinese names and you have no ROC registry number, you're basically a foriegner.


He lived here until 6, so he will have been in the Hu Ko...


Yes, but again:
US Passport - only English name, so how do they know who he is in the hukou?
Sure, it'll say Place of Birth: Taipei (or whatever), but how do they know from that one piece of information that -
a) He hasn't already completed his service.
b) He hasn't given up his Taiwanese citizenship.
And thirdly, place of birth doesn't necessarily automatically grant citizenship, afaik.


A: If he has completed military service he will have his 退伍令 with the service period and discharge date. He can't produce one... oops

B: ROC Citizens cannot renounce citizenship before 40 years of age.

C: I am assuming that that his parents are ROC Nationals, so he would also be an ROC national, having been born here to a father who was an ROC national at time of his birth. If not he wouldn't already have an ID card number and have to worry about the draft.

The main problem is that ROC allows visits of 4 months per year, which I read in another post is the maximum stay before being drafted. It is not 4 months with every visa entry. He wants to stay 1 - 2 years, clearly longer than 4 months per calender year. Secondly, he hasn't said what he wants to do during that time, perhaps study Chinese and also work.

I met a young ROC dual national who entered Taiwan on his American passport, then proceeded to live here as an ROC Citizen, thinking that as he entered on a USA passport he couldn't be touched. However he used his ID card for his health insurance, and he didnt tell his employers he was working illegally. So one day while he's at work, the military police turn up and take him away. He got to serve....
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Postby wolf_reinhold » 04 Dec 2004, 16:46

Don't you want to serve your country of birth? Be all that you can be in the ROC Army!
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Postby Lu » 23 May 2008, 21:01

Tetsuo wrote:Um, no, because as far as they know you're American if you come in on a US passport. For all they know, you could just happen to have the same name as a Taiwanese resident. But unless they can deadset prove you're the same guy, I don't see how they can just go "Oi! You look Chinese - GET INTO OUR ARMY"
While this makes perfect sense, a former co-worker of mine once came in on his US passport, stayed for only a few days, and then was stopped at the airport: couldn't leave the country until he had fulfilled his military service. I don't know how this happened, but this shows it's not as simple as 'just use your other passport when you come in and you'll be fine.'
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