Getting out of Army Service

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Postby coolingtower » 23 May 2008, 21:57

Did you guys enter Taiwan with your foreign passports or Taiwan passports?
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Postby bismarck » 27 Oct 2008, 19:25

bob_honest wrote:Well, I never understood why a society, being specialized to the extend of having specialists for building houses, butchering animals and massage, must have everyone in the people-slaying business.
There are enough guys who really want to do this, so why should I?

The military is a usefull thing, but not necessarily with me in it.


TC mentioned the Little Prince syndrome and these guys needing a little real-world experience. I find I agree with that and those kind of guys generally need it more than most (which is a much better alternative than getting your head kicked in at a night club for being a little snot with an unrealistic opinion of yourself).

However, I find I agree with your view, also. My six years in the navy showed me that not everyone is meant for or should be in the military. Being a volunteer service, too many folks back home were clamouring to join for easy work and a regular paycheck. I found them to be highly distasteful, absolutely bloody useless and I wouldn't have trusted that type to pass me ammo under fire, let alone cover my back.
This was only confirmed when I spent some time on peacekeeping duties in central Africa. I could tell you some stories, but you wouldn't believe me.
Suffice to say, it's not meant for everyone and I don't agree with press ganging all military age lads into military service.

So, as a middle ground, I personally believe that everyone should serve their country for a year or two. But there should be more options than the Army. Not only do young people get the opportunity to serve their country, but if conducted properly, Little Princes and most youngsters who spend 99% of their time in front of the TV or PC would be exposed to a life other than one built around your own selfish needs. Also, perhaps they'll come to see that there is more to this mortal coil than electronic gadgetry...

People like me who are married and wish to become Taiwanese should also have more options than being pushed into the Amry standing guard with 19 year olds. Part time service and community service utilising a person's skills would be a great idea. I'd like nothing more than to serve for a year or two as a language instructor for naval/coast guard personel, or to provide community language services to people from poorer backgrounds who may not otherwise be able to afford these things.
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Postby bismarck » 27 Oct 2008, 19:40

coolingtower wrote:Interesting.

I'll be up for military service in a couple months. Word has it that I'll get the "two weeks of Tee Dai Yi", which equates to directing traffic in front of a school, answering a phone, or whatever. My lower-left leg is 304 stainless steel--Made In Taiwan--after a motorcycle crash in 1999.

Maybe my military service is ridiculous, but I'll be proud to have completed what is required of me now that I'm a citizen of Taiwan. Whatever I'm asked to do, I'll do my best.


I thought you got out of it because of the 36 year old age limit??
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Postby Indiana » 27 Oct 2008, 21:02

bismarck wrote:People like me who are married and wish to become Taiwanese should also have more options than being pushed into the Amry standing guard with 19 year olds. Part time service and community service utilising a person's skills would be a great idea. I'd like nothing more than to serve for a year or two as a language instructor for naval/coast guard personel, or to provide community language services to people from poorer backgrounds who may not otherwise be able to afford these things.


If you were to take on Taiwanese citizenship, would you be drafted for sure if you were under the age limit (36??)? How would that work with the language barrier? Would you have to attain a certain proficiency in Mandarin?
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Postby Big Fluffy Matthew » 27 Oct 2008, 21:08

Indiana wrote:How would that work with the language barrier? Would you have to attain a certain proficiency in Mandarin?
No.
Er.... thingy.
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Postby Indiana » 27 Oct 2008, 21:11

Big Fluffy Matthew wrote:
Indiana wrote:How would that work with the language barrier? Would you have to attain a certain proficiency in Mandarin?
No.


That would make for a very interesting experience... :lol:
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Postby Big Fluffy Matthew » 27 Oct 2008, 21:14

Indiana wrote:
Big Fluffy Matthew wrote:
Indiana wrote:How would that work with the language barrier? Would you have to attain a certain proficiency in Mandarin?
No.


That would make for a very interesting experience... :lol:
"Interesting experience" would probably not be the words the Filipinos who had a nervous breakdown would use...

They would say it in Filipino for a start.
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Re: Getting out of Army Service

Postby coolingtower » 27 Oct 2008, 21:26

Bismarck,

Eventually, I DID get out because of the age limit.
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Postby Indiana » 27 Oct 2008, 21:54

Big Fluffy Matthew wrote:"Interesting experience" would probably not be the words the Filipinos who had a nervous breakdown would use...

They would say it in Filipino for a start.


They would say it in Tagalog. :)

Why were Filipinos in the Taiwanese military? Did they have Taiwanese passports?
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Re: Getting out of Army Service

Postby cfimages » 27 Oct 2008, 21:57

I thought proficiency in Chinese was required to take out citizenship - is that not the case?
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