Am I in danger of being conscripted?

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Am I in danger of being conscripted?

Postby ALT83 » 11 Jul 2008, 11:06

Hey guys,

I just read a slightly worrying article about a couple of Filipino guys that married Taiwanese women, got nationalised and conscripted and had nervous breakdowns from being in the army (whether they are faking or not I don't know).

But it got me wondering, if I marry my girlfriend, am I in danger of being called up for military service just like that or is it after I've become a citizen... How far down along the line is that?

The article said people can be called up for duty before their 36th birthday, which means I've still got over a decade to go...

On a secondary note, what about my kids (when we have them)? How can I guarantee they don't get drafted?

Thanks,

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Postby TainanCowboy » 11 Jul 2008, 11:09

Man-up and serve your chosen country.
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Postby ALT83 » 11 Jul 2008, 11:12

I've got other things I'd rather be doing, like running my company...

Have you served? Have many other Forumosans? What were your experiences like?
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Postby TainanCowboy » 11 Jul 2008, 11:22

ALT83 wrote:I've got other things I'd rather be doing, like running my company...
So...you think you're special? Are you talking Taiwan Military or UK military?
ALT83 wrote:Have you served?
Yes, US Army.
ALT83 wrote: Have many other Forumosans?
There's a few. Keep in mind the 'nature' of this web site.
ALT83 wrote: What were your experiences like?
Just like life its ownself - Some good, some bad, some weird. Like life, its what you make of it.
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Postby ALT83 » 11 Jul 2008, 11:35

I don't think I'm special, but I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that not everyone wants or should serve in the military. I completely respect the work that those guys do and it is certainly an important job, but as I said there is "other" stuff I would rather be doing, I didn't say it was "better".

I wouldn't mind doing the training if it were part-time or something, but if it's going to take me away from my work for a year or two that's pretty inconvenient.
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Re: Am I in danger of being conscripted?

Postby Taffy » 11 Jul 2008, 11:36

ALT83 wrote:But it got me wondering, if I marry my girlfriend, am I in danger of being called up for military service just like that or is it after I've become a citizen... How far down along the line is that?

You have to become a citizen. Your choice. They don't just hand out citizenship after you've been around a while or sign you up as fresh meat for the grinder - you have to go through a torturous application process and (in most cases) renounce your original citizenship. So don't become a citizen if you're worried about military service. Either that, or wait until you turn 35.

Are you ethnically (at least part) Chinese? Just asking because that might complicate things.

ALT83 wrote:On a secondary note, what about my kids (when we have them)? How can I guarantee they don't get drafted?

Guarantee? Get them British citizenship (assuming you're from the UK) and don't sign them up for the ROC version.
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Postby sandman » 11 Jul 2008, 11:38

You won't have to serve if you get married, only if you renounce your own citizenship and take ROC nationality. As a mere spouse, you're still very much a third-class non-citizen -- no voice, no vote, just pay the taxes.
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Postby Chris » 11 Jul 2008, 11:46

TainanCowboy wrote:Man-up and serve your chosen country.


Hey, lighten up, TC. If he doesn't want to serve, he shouldn't have to.

To the OP, you will only be subject to service if you become a citizen. Do you want to become a citizen? Most Westerners here who marry locals choose not to become ROC citizens because they will have to give up their original citizenship, and traveling on an ROC passport is a pain in the ass. And then there's that service thing, and most Westerners don't want to serve in the ROC army.
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Postby sandman » 11 Jul 2008, 11:49

TainanCowboy wrote:Man-up and serve your chosen country.

Which could also be written as: "Swallow the bullshit and agree to be somebody's pawn."
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Postby ALT83 » 11 Jul 2008, 11:51

Thanks for the advice guys, I look forward to being a third-class non-citizen then :D

If our kids are born in Taiwan are they automatically awarded citizenship (in Taiwan and UK)?

If we opt out of Taiwan citizenship for them, can they still live in Taiwan forever (if they/we so choose) without issue?
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