Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

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Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

Postby Zla'od » 24 Dec 2011, 18:22

Shensi is Shanxi, but what town is this? (late 19th c.)
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Re: Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

Postby Taffy » 24 Dec 2011, 20:41

Zla'od wrote:Shensi is Shanxi, but what town is this? (late 19th c.)

Sorry, don't know the town, but Shensi refers to Shaanxi, not Shanxi.
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Re: Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

Postby Zla'od » 28 Dec 2011, 22:56

Sorry--Shansi, not Shensi.

It has been suggested that someone misread "Taiyuan-fu" for "Ziyuan-fu."
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Re: Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

Postby Taffy » 29 Dec 2011, 00:06

Then Taiyuan looks like the most likely place, as it is (and was then) the capital of the region (hence the -fu). Do you have the source document yourself, or is there a chance that some misread tai for tsu in some poorly-printed, time-smudged article?
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Re: Where is Tsu-yuen-fu, Shensi?

Postby Zla'od » 29 Dec 2011, 07:58

No, all I have are reports of records. Something like that is probably what happened. I'm not sure if this represents an English or a Chinese mistake, though.
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