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just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

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Re: just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

Postby rowland » 31 Jan 2015, 06:50

the bear wrote:Good for you. I hope that more Taiwanese "come out" about their indigenous ancestry. For sure there are a lot of people here with indigenous blood who don't admit it or who simply don't know. Should be a source of pride, not something to be hushed up.


Why on earth should it be either one of these things?

I'm of slightly mixed race myself, but I only bring it up to tweak the identity politics nincompoops. Who and what I am has nothing to do with people long dead. It's a sorry person who has to borrow his sense of identity from an accident of birth.

At certain times in the misty past, some of my ancestors oppressed other ancestors of mine. Should I apologize to myself?
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Re: just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

Postby the bear » 31 Jan 2015, 08:51

rowland wrote:
the bear wrote:Good for you. I hope that more Taiwanese "come out" about their indigenous ancestry. For sure there are a lot of people here with indigenous blood who don't admit it or who simply don't know. Should be a source of pride, not something to be hushed up.


Why on earth should it be either one of these things?

I'm of slightly mixed race myself, but I only bring it up to tweak the identity politics nincompoops. Who and what I am has nothing to do with people long dead. It's a sorry person who has to borrow his sense of identity from an accident of birth.

At certain times in the misty past, some of my ancestors oppressed other ancestors of mine. Should I apologize to myself?


We're not talking about apologies for oppression here plus I'm only referring to the Taiwan experience. A lot of Taiwanese have indigenous blood but deny the fact to their children out of shame. You may not think so but who you are depends a lot on where you come from. There's no such thing as an accident of birth; we are who we are because of the actions of our forefathers. For a family to pretend its 100% Hoklo when its not to me is sad.
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Re: just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

Postby hansioux » 31 Jan 2015, 09:28

sofun wrote:
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mtDNA haplogroup test on maternal lineage descendents of your great grandmother would also be concrete proof. Basically your father's cousins or female cousin's descendents.


Yes mtDNA test would determine what type/tribe of "aborigine" my great Grandma most likely was. I predict that she was most likely a Siraya, followed by Tsou, then by Bunun.
I know my grandpa has a sister and I've seen her once. So that'd be my only hope for mtDNA on my dad's side.


I don't think it would be accurate enough to tell which tribe she was from. It would provide definite proof that she was an aboriginal though.
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Re: just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

Postby sofun » 31 Jan 2015, 10:58

hansioux wrote:
sofun wrote:
hansioux wrote:
mtDNA haplogroup test on maternal lineage descendents of your great grandmother would also be concrete proof. Basically your father's cousins or female cousin's descendents.


Yes mtDNA test would determine what type/tribe of "aborigine" my great Grandma most likely was. I predict that she was most likely a Siraya, followed by Tsou, then by Bunun.
I know my grandpa has a sister and I've seen her once. So that'd be my only hope for mtDNA on my dad's side.


I don't think it would be accurate enough to tell which tribe she was from. It would provide definite proof that she was an aboriginal though.


If she was Tsou then mtDNA would tell definitively that she was of the Takasago group of tribes. If she was Siraya then the result would not be so different from regular folks in that area of Tainan. However we already know that she was "Shanbao", because my Dad said she was. So actually her mtDNA would help calibrate either Siraya or Tsou (my educated guess). Basically I only need to get a hold of my Dad's uncle, because for sure he'd know more detail. My dad's is totally ignorant about nuances. He only knows "Shanbao and there are two types." :doh:
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Re: just found out that I am of "aboriginal" decent.

Postby sofun » 31 Jan 2015, 11:20

the bear wrote:
rowland wrote:
the bear wrote:Good for you. I hope that more Taiwanese "come out" about their indigenous ancestry. For sure there are a lot of people here with indigenous blood who don't admit it or who simply don't know. Should be a source of pride, not something to be hushed up.


Why on earth should it be either one of these things?

I'm of slightly mixed race myself, but I only bring it up to tweak the identity politics nincompoops. Who and what I am has nothing to do with people long dead. It's a sorry person who has to borrow his sense of identity from an accident of birth.

At certain times in the misty past, some of my ancestors oppressed other ancestors of mine. Should I apologize to myself?


We're not talking about apologies for oppression here plus I'm only referring to the Taiwan experience. A lot of Taiwanese have indigenous blood but deny the fact to their children out of shame. You may not think so but who you are depends a lot on where you come from. There's no such thing as an accident of birth; we are who we are because of the actions of our forefathers. For a family to pretend its 100% Hoklo when its not to me is sad.


In my example, I've never asked my parents about ancestry in terms of where their families were from and whether they have aboriginal blood. I guess we're just your typical average Taiga-Speaking "locals," both sides of my families. My mom's father's father was from Amoy, (Jinmen) , coming to Taiwan during the Japanese Era, but I only found about it last year when his wife(my grandma) passed away. Now, his wife (who came with him from Jinmen) had bound feet and this I know because I remember my mom saying so when I was little.

That's why I asked my Dad about his grandma (subject matter of this OP) whether she had bound feet, just for fun.
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