Click here to go to our new forums at http://tw.forumosa.com
If you are a Forumosan Regular, when you log in for the FIRST TIME, you must RESET your password by using the Password Recovery system.

Usernames on the new forums must not contain any SPACES and must end with LETTER or a NUMBER; if yours does, you will be prompted to change your Username
Contact us at admin(at)forumosa(dot)com or @forumosa on Twitter or on our Facebook Page if you have any questions or problems logging back in

Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Moderator: hansioux

Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby Andrew0409 » 20 Jun 2015, 03:22

I'm still trying to find more information about this. But someone told me that Taiwan was one of the first places to successfully fight of western colonist during the colonial time period. Is this true, and does anyone have any more information about this.
User avatar
Andrew0409
High School Triad Member (gāozhōng liúmáng)
High School Triad Member (gāozhōng liúmáng)
 
Posts: 531
{ AUTHOR_TOPIC }
Joined: 19 Feb 2009, 14:21



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby Zhengzhou2010 » 20 Jun 2015, 09:54

Andrew0409 wrote:I'm still trying to find more information about this. But someone told me that Taiwan was one of the first places to successfully fight of western colonist during the colonial time period. Is this true, and does anyone have any more information about this.


Zheng Zhenggong aka Koxinga driving off the Dutch colonists in Taiwan around 1640 or so? I'm not sure that I'd reall consider that to be an example of Taiwan fighting off Western colonists though as Koxinga and his army came from China and were escaping the Manchu conquest. Koxinga and his troops had virtually no connection to Taiwan before beating the Dutch (although, supposedly some Han Chinese were working as laborers for the Dutch in Taiwan and they joined Koxinga's attack). Maybe one could say "Taiwan was one of the first places in Asia where the Western colonialists were driven off . . ."
Zhengzhou2010
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
 
Posts: 462
Joined: 21 Mar 2014, 23:26



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby Zhengzhou2010 » 20 Jun 2015, 10:22

On the issue of fighting off colonialists, the China Post also had an editorial recently celebrating Taiwanese resistance against Japan and in support of the short lived 1895 Republic. While I think the editorial dramatizes the situation bit, I support the intent to emphasize Taiwanese resistance.

http://m.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/201 ... ma-was.htm

One hundred and twenty years ago today, Admiral Sukenori Kabayama inaugurated his government of Taiwan amid festivities in Taipei. Japan's first governor-general of Taiwan was confident that the organized defense of the new colony would soon subside after Tang Jingsong, president of the Republic of Taiwan, had fled Taipei with his family for Fuzhou in mainland China 12 days before and the main body of the Japanese invasion army was in the capital city ready to march southward to pacify the island. Kabayama used Tang's yamen (administrative office) as the office of the governor-general.
Kabayama was wrong. Taiwan's war of independence went on.
Zhengzhou2010
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
 
Posts: 462
Joined: 21 Mar 2014, 23:26



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby rowland » 22 Jun 2015, 09:24

Well, the aboriginals didn't have much luck fighting off all those Chinese.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
User avatar
rowland
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
 
Posts: 2510
Joined: 07 Mar 2012, 04:37
Location: Taipei



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby finley » 22 Jun 2015, 10:11

It depends what you mean by "fight off". There are dozens of countries all around the world that think they're under the boot, even though the colonists are long gone. Taiwan's achievement, it seems to me, was to recognise that the colonists had gone. They then took what they left behind, and made something useful of it. Eventually. Obviously, having a giant peanut for a president hampered that process for a while.

As opposed to sitting around with a hangdog expression, saying: look at the mess our country is in! It's all your fault!

I mean, realistically, the Japanese (and the Americans :whistle: ) just sort of ... strolled away. Nothing to see here. Move along. It wasn't me. They weren't driven out by (Taiwanese) force.
"Global warming is happening and we KNOW that man is 100 percent responsible!!!"
- Fred Smith
User avatar
finley
Entering Second Childhood (èrdù tóngnián qī)
Entering Second Childhood (èrdù tóngnián qī)
 
Posts: 7145
Joined: 20 Jan 2011, 23:34



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby hansioux » 22 Jun 2015, 10:37

What's the definition of the "start of western colonialism"? Without that it's hard to say who's first

Does it count when the people of Elmina attacked Diogo de Azambuja's people for tearing down their homes and destroying their holy rock to build a Portuguese fort? That was in 1482.

Does it count as fight off when the Ciguayos people of Samaná Peninsula shot arrows at Columbus and stabbed two of his men? As a result Columbus named that place The Bay of Arrows. That was in 1493.

Does it count when Calicut mobs attacked the Portuguese factory, killing more than 53 Portuguese in the Calicut Massacre? That was in 1500.

Does it count as fight off when Datu Lapu-Lapu of Cebu's Mactan island killed Magellan? That was in 1521.
Don't confuse me with your reasonableness.
User avatar
hansioux
Thinking of Staging a Coup (xiǎng yào gǎo zhèng biàn)
Thinking of Staging a Coup (xiǎng yào gǎo zhèng biàn)
 
Posts: 6457
Joined: 28 Jul 2012, 14:41
In Taiwan since: 30 Jun 2006



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby Tempo Gain » 22 Jun 2015, 13:03

rowland wrote:Well, the aboriginals didn't have much luck fighting off all those Chinese.


According to the exhibit in the National Taiwan Museum I visited yesterday, there didn't seem to be any fighting at all. It all seemed to all be down to "relocation" and the like.

Image

Image
Image

"Being alive is the meaning." -- Joseph Campbell

"Well I don't guess it has to be, but that's the way we like it." -- Roger Waters

There's only one thing left for me to do momma I gotta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
User avatar
Tempo Gain
Maitreya Buddha (Mílèfó)
 
Posts: 12859
Joined: 16 Jul 2004, 22:41
Location: Taipei



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby rowland » 22 Jun 2015, 14:30

Tempo Gain wrote:
rowland wrote:Well, the aboriginals didn't have much luck fighting off all those Chinese.


According to the exhibit in the National Taiwan Museum I visited yesterday, there didn't seem to be any fighting at all. It all seemed to all be down to "relocation" and the like.


The Cherokees got relocated too.

It's a law of human society: People who wear feathers and paint and loincloths and who paddle canoes around will always get a raw deal.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
User avatar
rowland
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
 
Posts: 2510
Joined: 07 Mar 2012, 04:37
Location: Taipei



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby Tempo Gain » 22 Jun 2015, 14:31

Key word there is "got"--such terminology was not in evidence.
Image

"Being alive is the meaning." -- Joseph Campbell

"Well I don't guess it has to be, but that's the way we like it." -- Roger Waters

There's only one thing left for me to do momma I gotta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
User avatar
Tempo Gain
Maitreya Buddha (Mílèfó)
 
Posts: 12859
Joined: 16 Jul 2004, 22:41
Location: Taipei



Re: Taiwan, one of the 1st to fight off colonialism?

Postby afterspivak » 22 Jun 2015, 18:48

According to the exhibit in the National Taiwan Museum I visited yesterday, there didn't seem to be any fighting at all. It all seemed to all be down to "relocation" and the like.


Those photos are incredible--as ridiculous as anything I've seen in the recent curriculum debacle. :eek:

As Emma Teng has pointed out, it's hard to be postcolonial when you can't acknowledge the colonial part.

Guy
afterspivak
Night Market Cop (yè shì tiáo zi)
Night Market Cop (yè shì tiáo zi)
 
Posts: 857
Joined: 09 Mar 2011, 21:40



FRIENDLY REMINDER
   Please remember that Forumosa is not responsible for the content that appears on the other side of links that Forumosans post on our forums. As a discussion website, we encourage open and frank debate. We have learned that the most effective way to address questionable claims or accusations on Forumosa is by engaging in a sincere and constructive conversation. To make this website work, we must all feel safe in expressing our opinions, this also means backing up any claims with hard facts, including links to other websites.
   Please also remember that one should not believe everything one reads on the Internet, particularly from websites whose content cannot be easily verified or substantiated. Use your common sense and do not hesitate to ask for proof.
Next




Return to Culture & History



Who is online

Forumosans browsing this forum: No Forumosans and 2 guests