Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby Chris » 07 Mar 2012, 15:24

The fact is spirits exist from what's been reported in the media and shown in TV documentaries.


"I know it's true, oh so true, cause I saw it on TV" - John Fogerty

Let me recommend a few books:

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark - Carl Sagan
How We Believe: Science, Skepticism and the Search for God - Michael Shermer
50 Popular Beliefs That People Think Are True - Guy P. Harrison
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby jdsmith » 07 Mar 2012, 15:59

Chris wrote:If spirits can be shown to exist, that would be a major scientific discovery. Gather the evidence, run some tests and get your paper published in a major scientific journal... you'd be rich and famous.

And figure out how to put them to work. That would probably end suicide.
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Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby headhonchoII » 07 Mar 2012, 19:52

She sounds like she has had a nervous breakdown or as we say in the homeland 'she's been touched'.

From the outside divorce sounds like one serious option to consider. To get rid of the symptoms cure the disease.

The belief in spirit possession is rampant in Taiwan and it is usually used to communicate with the Gods to ask them for advice.
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby E04teacherlin » 08 Mar 2012, 02:18

jdsmith wrote:
Chris wrote:If spirits can be shown to exist, that would be a major scientific discovery. Gather the evidence, run some tests and get your paper published in a major scientific journal... you'd be rich and famous.

And figure out how to put them to work. That would probably end suicide.

Spirits do exist. They are sold in 7eleven. Commonly known as whiskey or cognac. The goods ones are more expensive. Don't see how they end suicide. It rather encourages suicide. It's not a scientific discovery. If anyone can proof that any god exists, this forum would be changed to science and spirituality. How boring would that be?
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby tsukinodeynatsu » 10 Mar 2012, 12:29

I believe that spirits exist, but from what you've said I don't think your friend is possessed. I'm willing to bet all my chips that it's a coping mechanism. (She may very well be hearing two spirits talking, but that doesn't mean she HAS to pay attention to them. It's her choice.)

Honestly, she needs to squirrel away some cash every month and then leave the husband. The husband is supposed to support her, and from what you say he sounds borderline emotionally abusive.

A chat with a temple exorcist couldn't HURT in this case though. A real one, who's not going to do an exorcism if she's not possessed, but who is wise enough to see the benefit in making her believe the exorcism was successful. I know of two (possibly three).. but they're in Tainan (and one might be dead, but that should be easy enough to find out).

As an aside, you're not supposed to get anything good from being nice. You're supposed to be nice because you WANT to be nice. If you're being nice because you want someone else to do something for you you're actually being selfish (i.e. I'll only scratch your back if you scratch mine), which isn't very nice at all.
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby tigerlily2011 » 31 Mar 2012, 15:26

tsukinodeynatsu wrote:A chat with a temple exorcist couldn't HURT in this case though. A real one, who's not going to do an exorcism if she's not possessed, but who is wise enough to see the benefit in making her believe the exorcism was successful. I know of two (possibly three).. but they're in Tainan (and one might be dead, but that should be easy enough to find out).


Thanks to all the contributors for the humor/sarcasm on spirits - alcoholic drinks!

No one will understand her helplessness until one walks in her shoes.

On a serious note:
I agree with what you posted, Tsukinodeynatsu! Can you help to find out any temple exorcist in Taoyuan? [I don't know how to google in Mandarin.]

She had contemplated on divorce for the last two years. The thought of being separated from her two girls held her back, since she could only afford to take her elderly dad with her.

[I suspect that her husband held on to her until he empties her savings. Her bank passbooks can disappear and surface a few months later with some money withdrawn. Are withdrawals possible with just the account holder's rubber stamp without any personal identification in Taiwan?]
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby sean_samten1 » 27 Apr 2013, 14:37

I could do some Tibetan Buddhist practices for you to help with spirit troubles... She might be just in need of psychiatry. It is important to know the precise cause of a certain illness and not be confused about that! Compassion is the basis in Buddhist practice for dealing with "spirits" who are also sentient beings like us but are trapped in the "bardo" or intermediate state without the physical support of a body.
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby Zla'od » 27 Apr 2013, 18:06

Are withdrawals possible with just the account holder's rubber stamp without any personal identification in Taiwan?


Yes. The bank or post office will, of course, have a record of deposits and withdrawals, though this would not reveal the identity of the withdrawer.

If you really want an exorcist, and are having trouble finding one, I can ask around. (I assume you are looking for a Daoist exorcist; if not, please correct me.) But her spiritual problems seem to be reflections of her problems in this world.
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby tigerlily2011 » 28 May 2013, 12:13

Thanks, Zla'od, and the others for your replies.

Zla'od: Sorry, I don't even know which Buddhist sect she belongs or prays to. Will appreciate if you can ask for one Daoist exorcist around in Taoyuan, and provide me the address, contact number and the approx fee charged.

I will be in Taiwan from June 9-21 with my aunt for a short holiday. So, I will see her at the end of our tour.

Sad to say that she's gone crazy, and she kept on saying there's so many husbands around - a different one each time. I consoled her that it didn't matter which J he is, as long as someone is there for her until she is well.

Now, her main concern is money. Her husband is demanding from her the last of her FD to finance her eldest girl's college for 6 more yrs. What about her younger girl's education, who's 10 years apart? She's now 50 yrs old, who's unable to keep any job. What if one day she's left with no money, and 'sleeps on the street' - a Chinese phrase. [She has transferred her condo's title over to her husband to prevent further liabilities, in case he used it as a collateral for loans without her knowledge.] She doesn't know what to do, and she sleeps on it! Literally!

Months ago, I once talked to her husband over skype (at her insistence - to confirm whether he's the same person I saw when the whole family visited Malaysia years ago), and he said her mental condition was serious resulting from her refusal to take her medication.

Will update her status after I visit her next month.
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Re: Spirit Release is the modern word for Exorcism

Postby Rotalsnart » 31 May 2013, 10:52

tigerlily2011 wrote:[....] [She has transferred her condo's title over to her husband to prevent further liabilities, in case he used it as a collateral for loans without her knowledge.] [...]


This doesn't makes sense. If the condo is in her name, her husband could not use it for collateral without her knowledge -- he would require her consent and signature. If the condo is in his name, on the other hand, he can use it for collateral just as he pleases.

This is a very sad story. I hope she gets some help. It sounds like what she most needs is a family member making sure that she takes her medicine every day, and also a good psychiatric doctor to make sure that she is on the most appropriate medicine and dose. That, in most cases, is what makes all the difference in whether someone suffering from schizophrenic episodes -- which seems to be the case here -- is able to continue to function in society and live as satisfying as possible a life. I know this from experience as I've had three close relatives suffer from schizophrenia. One, an uncle, lived a happy and productive life because his wife was very supportive and made sure he stayed on his meds. The other two had a much rougher time of it because they would continually go off their medication.
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