Rockefeller wrote:When a good portion of religious people start calling people who share the same views as I do unflattering names as soon as we tell them we don't believe in their specific brand of faith.
This sounds quite a bit different to your original claim, which was about 'society'. Now we've narrowed it down to 'a good portion of religious people' who are 'calling people names' just because those people don't believe in their specific brand of faith. I fail to see how this constitutes society dictating that you accept other people's faith in whatever religion
Throughout every single one of my high school years I was called every name under the sun, and bullied ceaselessly (verbally and physically), for my religious beliefs, due largely to the fact that I was one of only about half a dozen religious children in the entire school of several hundred; you were a target if you weren't an atheist. Does this mean that society was dictating that I must accept the atheism of other people? No it doesn't. It was just kids doing what they had been taught to do at home.
Side note: It was only several years ago that I was an atheist. Imagine what the hardcore religious folks have called me then.
Believe me, I don't need to imagine.
sulavaca wrote:I think you know exactly what I meant,
Yes I do, that's why I asked you to edit your post. Of course you weren't referring to every religious person, and I never said you were; you were referring specifically to those Christians reading you posts. You weren't calling all religious people kiddy fiddlers, and since you're not a Christian nor even religious, of course nothing you wrote applied to you. You didn't actually say 'religious people don't go to war', you said they 'opt out of fighting on religious grounds when they cause a war'. You also said they are 'illogical, intolerant, bigots who support unequal standards for all'. I objected to all of your claims about what Christians do, not simply the kiddy fiddler claim; that was simply the most objectionable to me.
sulavaca wrote:Why can't I both accept that we all live together, but openly voice my opinion? I'm not a violent person. I have never harmed a religious person.
You are entirely free to voice your opinion. However, when you make vitriolic posts such as the one to which I objected, you sound like a violent person. You also seem to enjoy making claims that Christians habitually engage in a range of deeply immoral activities.
Chris wrote:Nobody called any particular individual a "kiddy fiddler", nor did the post equate all theists with pedophiles.
No one has claimed the post equated all theists with pedophiles. It did however claim that any Christian readers of the post were probably kiddy fiddlers (among other vices), and the fact that no specific individual was singled out by name is completely irrelevant.
Chris wrote:Back to the topic: atheists are one of the least accepted groups in the US, as a 2006 University of Minnesota study, published in Vol. 71 of American Sociological Review, found. To the question "This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society", the result was:
What do you expect given they're a minority group, the most public members of which carry out repeated personal attacks on religious people, denigrate religion, and claim they want to sweep religion off the face of the earth? Do you really expect religious people to read that and say 'Wow, that really agrees with my vision of American society'?
The majority of atheists and agnostics who understand religion well are ex-religious people. The article even says this:
American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.
So they're not knowledgeable about religion because they're atheists, they're knowledgeable about religion because they used to be religious.