Confuzius wrote:Fort does like to post a WALL of text he has stashed somewhere, stand over it pointing and go "SEE!!!!" rather than actually engaging in conversation.
Just sayin' (now I await a new wall of text)
Thanks for helping out with a little Fort-meta there.
Not having read his other threads, it did kind of throw me for a loop for a second.
E04teacherlin wrote:OK sorry. You said that non-secular organisations could have the same benefit and fortigurn said yes but research indicate that they don't. Is your hatred for religion clouding your judgement so much that you misinterpret the meaning of research. You said that you can not comprehend how certain risk-minimization behaviors has a positive outcome and even placed words in fortigurn's mouth by claiming things such as not having sex before marriage or not smoking, to which he clearly responded that he did not say that, which he didn't, while at the same time mentioning that risk minimization behaviors lead to exactly what he says and what is mentioned in the literature he mentioned based on research, which is scientific, no?
Now please restate what I missed. I was very biased against him and failed to see you point other than, I dislike religion, any good that comes from it is rubbish and could be attained through non-religious means and if research says otherwise I suddenly misunderstand scientific and research methods because it now suits me to do so.
Please restate your point. I must have missed it.
I don't believe you've really looked at the thread by taking a truly sympathetic view of my perspective. Asking me if my hatred of religion has clouded my judgment is just so off base I don't even know how to respond to that. To really listen, one must first stop treating the Other like an evil strawman. Treating the Other as evil is precisely what jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan do. That is what European crusaders and the Spanish Inquisition did. And that is what the Nazis did. You and I do not believe we ever be led to such extremes, but it starts with how we perceive others.
Imagine I am a soul searching first cousin you have known well since childhood, trying to find his religious way, and I'm being bullied by a Catholic priest (if you're Protestant) or by a minister (if you're Catholic) who isn't really giving me reasonable answers to genuine God-seeking questions of a man trying to find God in his own way. Perhaps that will help give you the empathy you need to read the thread again clearly.
I could lay it out for you point by point again, perhaps more clearly, but then that would deny you the opportunity to figure it out on your own. If you still don't get my side of the argument, I will respond after the weekend. Will be away for a few days.