Bible question: Did Adam & Eve's kids commit incest?

Re: Bible question: Did Adam & Eve's kids commit incest?

Postby bob » 23 May 2008, 14:06

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Postby Screaming Jesus » 23 May 2008, 15:40

Were Adam and Eve created as adults, or did God put them on Earth as babies? And how did they defend themselves against predators (the animal variety)?


I vaguely recall something about Adam having been created at the age of 30, because that was the most perfect age. (Obviously, then, Eve would have been about 16.) The animals would not turn "evil" until after the Fall of Man--back in Eden, lion would lie with lamb, and so on. (Possibly Adam also laid with lamb prior to the introduction of Eve, but never mind.)
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Postby Mother Theresa » 23 May 2008, 15:54

Speaking of Eden, why did God lie about what would happen if they ate the forbidden fruit . . .

God, at Genesis 2:17 wrote:But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


and the serpent told the truth?

The Serpent, at Genesis 3:4-5 wrote:And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. . .


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Postby bob » 23 May 2008, 16:03

God or a talking snake. Tough one.
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Postby irishstu » 23 May 2008, 16:16

Mother Theresa wrote:Who should we trust, God or a Serpent?


I wouldn't Adam & Eve either of them.
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Postby Jack Burton » 23 May 2008, 16:19

Screaming Jesus wrote:
Possibly Adam also laid with lamb prior to the introduction of Eve, but never mind.


Maybe Australia/New Zealand is where the fabled Eden doth lie.
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Postby Fortigurn » 23 May 2008, 23:57

Screaming Jesus wrote:I vaguely recall something about Adam having been created at the age of 30, because that was the most perfect age. (Obviously, then, Eve would have been about 16.) The animals would not turn "evil" until after the Fall of Man--back in Eden, lion would lie with lamb, and so on. (Possibly Adam also laid with lamb prior to the introduction of Eve, but never mind.)


Sounds like a rabbinical commentary.

Mother Theresa wrote:Speaking of Eden, why did God lie about what would happen if they ate the forbidden fruit . .


He didn't. Here's the curse from God which results from Adam eating the fruit:

Genesis 3:
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat food
until you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust, and to dust you will return.“


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Genesis 4:
13 Then Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to endure!
14 Look! You are driving me off the land today, and I must hide from your presence. I will be a homeless wanderer on the earth; whoever finds me will kill me.“
15 But the Lord said to him, “All right then, if anyone kills Cain, Cain will be avenged seven times as much.“ Then the Lord put a special mark on Cain so that no one who found him would strike him down.
16 So Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
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Postby R. Daneel Olivaw » 24 May 2008, 04:01

One interpretation: The day Adam and Eve ate of the fruit they suffered a form of death-- being barred from the presence of God.

Another interpretation: A day to God is as a 1000 years to man. So, when God said "in that day" it gave Adam a thousand years. He died before he hit 1000. Adam would have known that God's day was like that.
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Postby Screaming Jesus » 24 May 2008, 09:32

Couldn't be rabbinical, because in that case the perfect age would be 40. It might be scholastic in origin (30 being the traditional age of Christ at the commencement of his mission).
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Postby bismarck » 24 May 2008, 14:40

Tyc00n wrote:So how do you explain then that this genotype for the whole race is no longer in each human being? Is it continually being diluted? If so, this should observed.

Also, why is there more genetic diversity within Africa in comparison to the rest of the world combined?


Did you read what I said? Did you read the articles on Genotype and Phenotype? Everyone has the Genotype. But you look different from other people because of what is physically expressed, i.e. the Phenotype. It is based on this that they can trace migration paths in humans, and they can genetically trace everyone back to one common ancestor.

Tyc00n wrote:You know its f'ing funny when people try to somehow merge science with religion. It simply doesn't work, for the following reason:
1) Science starts with a hypothesis based on observation, and uses facts / data / experimentation as evidence to support that hypothesis. It makes no assumptions but that which has already been 'proven' before.

2) Religion starts with the facts, and then supports any scientific evidence that corelates with it and dismisses anything that is contradictory.


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