Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Mother Theresa » 12 Aug 2008, 17:19

TainanCowboy wrote:Ask the Zoroasters in the crowd.


Probably the same close-minded twits who use 'Republican' or 'Christian' or 'Conservative' as a slur.


Huang Guang Chen wrote:And liberal or "left" too.

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And homo.

I guess when a person uses it as a smear it says more about the speaker than the target, doesn't it?

But depending on ones audience the smear may or may not be effective.
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Postby SoulDragoN » 12 Aug 2008, 23:38

And homo.

....LOL....as in Gay?

There is the Death Penalty associated with that sort of thing...
that is IF you get caught....but don't DARE whisper a word publicly...or draw a cartoon of that nature.... about their High rates of Bum Buddyism ....LOL
Would be call to Jihad....
Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Not a Farkin reason on the face of the earth...Taqiyya<-- do NOT mention the Bum Buddies....lol..whatever you do!
Has anyone even read the Koran? Like all of it?

In it's entirety to the background irritation of the call to prayers of the local mosque.

BS then...and even more BS now with the newly updated 'reinterpretations' in a tragic manner being eaten up as "gospel" by the West....say Hello to Sharia Laws in hometown.
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Gao Bohan » 27 Aug 2008, 13:49

Rabidpie wrote:Has anyone even read the Koran? Like all of it?


Yes, and I have met (and work with) many good Muslims, but I do not like Islam in its classical form. Like all successful religions, it draws a harsh distinction between believers and non-believers. If you've really read the Qur'an then you're quite familiar with the multitude of verses decrying the wickedness and evil of unbelievers. You can't miss those verses as they are repeated over and over again. I doubt most Muslims care about that, but there's little question that Muslims have trouble integrating into non-Muslim societies, whether that's in the West, the Christian strongholds of Africa, Thailand, China, the Phillipines, etc. It's little wonder that so many Europeans are wary of large scale Muslim immigration.

Additionally, violent holy war has always been a part of Islam and still is. I disagree with the contention that "radicals" are "twisting" Islam when they commit violence in the name of Islam. Muhammad spent a decade as a warlord and his early successors led the Arab armies across much of the civilized world. Muslim militants idolize Muhammad and his general-successors faithfully and accurately. Having said that, I agree that the cause of violent Islamic uprisings is rarely a product of faith alone. Islam provides a rallying cry for Muslims against a common enemy - such as Jews in Palestine, but is hardly the source of the conflict. Regardless, Muslims all over the world seem to constantly find themselves in conflict with non-Muslims. That's not encouraging for the prospects of integrating Muslim immigrants in Europe.

Let the flaming begin.
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Elegua » 27 Aug 2008, 14:30

Gao Bohan wrote:
Rabidpie wrote:Has anyone even read the Koran? Like all of it?


Yes, and I have met (and work with) many good Muslims, but I do not like Islam in its classical form. Like all successful religions, it draws a harsh distinction between believers and non-believers. If you've really read the Qur'an then you're quite familiar with the multitude of verses decrying the wickedness and evil of unbelievers. You can't miss those verses as they are repeated over and over again. I doubt most Muslims care about that, but there's little question that Muslims have trouble integrating into non-Muslim societies, whether that's in the West, the Christian strongholds of Africa, Thailand, China, the Phillipines, etc. It's little wonder that so many Europeans are wary of large scale Muslim immigration.

Additionally, violent holy war has always been a part of Islam and still is. I disagree with the contention that "radicals" are "twisting" Islam when they commit violence in the name of Islam. Muhammad spent a decade as a warlord and his early successors led the Arab armies across much of the civilized world. Muslim militants idolize Muhammad and his general-successors faithfully and accurately. Having said that, I agree that the cause of violent Islamic uprisings is rarely a product of faith alone. Islam provides a rallying cry for Muslims against a common enemy - such as Jews in Palestine, but is hardly the source of the conflict. Regardless, Muslims all over the world seem to constantly find themselves in conflict with non-Muslims. That's not encouraging for the prospects of integrating Muslim immigrants in Europe.

Let the flaming begin.


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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Mother Theresa » 27 Aug 2008, 14:39

Gao Bohan wrote:I do not like Islam in its classical form. Like all successful religions, it draws a harsh distinction between believers and non-believers. If you've really read the Qur'an then you're quite familiar with the multitude of verses decrying the wickedness and evil of unbelievers.. .


Am I correct that you equally dislike Christianity for the same reason?

Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you. . . has violated the covenant by serving other gods. . . that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

. . . everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Jaboney » 27 Aug 2008, 15:09

Gao Bohan wrote: Regardless, Muslims all over the world seem to constantly find themselves in conflict with non-Muslims. That's not encouraging for the prospects of integrating Muslim immigrants in Europe.
Flame? No. Question, sure.

All over the world? Save those in North America, who tend to integrate very well.
But then, other immigrant groups also tend to integrate more successful in North America than in Europe and elsewhere.

There's probably a degree of selection bias at work, but successful integration probably has at least as much to do with the host society as the incoming population, no? Many Muslim communities are on the wrong track. Many aren't. Are North American societies just lucky? Lucky to get a larger slice of wealthy migrants, no doubt, but more than just lucky.

Consider the news on Danish immigration, Italian (among others) treatment of the Roma, resurgence of far-right parties in Austria, France, Britain, (east) Germany. These issues aren't often folded into a neat package and treated as a single issue, and aren't entirely due to a reaction against Muslim immigrants. Still, there's little discussion of the Europeans' problems in getting along with the rest of world, and what little there is focuses on Europe's demographics and the need to import more young migrants to pay for the coming gray wave.

Just looking for the other half of the picture.
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby hannes » 27 Aug 2008, 15:28

Life of a Muslim:

For those who need some background info:

http://muslim-canada.org/ch15hamid.html

If you just take away the association with terrorism and violence, treatment of women in certain Islamic countries, etc. Islam becomes so much more palatable.
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby urodacus » 27 Aug 2008, 18:18

Mother Theresa wrote:
Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you. . . has violated the covenant by serving other gods. . . that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

. . . everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



apart from the CHRONICLES one, those are all Old testament, so aren't they part of Jewish and Muslim canon as well as Christian?

how many apostates and unbelievers have YOU stoned lately? anyone, anyone? seems a bit harsh, and not something I think most modern followers of any faith take to heart. hope not, anyway.
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Re: Why is being a Muslim a bad thing?

Postby Dr. McCoy » 27 Aug 2008, 18:34

I've been stoned in church. It's not so bad.
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