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Re: Evolution

Postby zender » 28 Dec 2009, 20:25

Are we sure that chimps, dolphins and elephants don't have it?

I mean, we're the best . . . no doubt about that!

Woo Hoo! High five! :discodance:
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Re: Evolution

Postby urodacus » 28 Dec 2009, 21:46

"I'm pissed off that I can't fly. that to me is the pinnacle of evolution: how come flies (duh) and birds and even frikken fruitbats can fly, the ungrateful lemurs, and I can't? it's not fair. "

Claiming that consciousness is the pinnacle of evolution is blinkered, and biased. No part of what evolution has arrived at is better than any other (except for pandas, for they are an obvious example of the fact that evolution is crap and blind). Consciousness is probably not even exclusive to humans, though they seem to have made the most if it. And there may well be other things that evolution throws up that are equally cool. how about telepathy?

it is a centrist fallacy to think of humans as being at the top of the heap, just as it is to think of our planet as the centre of the universe (as many did for years). If there was a high point of evolution it may have been the development of a cell membrane. after that, everything was chocolate.
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Re: Evolution

Postby trubadour » 28 Dec 2009, 22:11

urodacus wrote:it is a centrist fallacy to think of humans as being at the top of the heap, just as it is to think of our planet as the centre of the universe (as many did for years). If there was a high point of evolution it may have been the development of a cell membrane. after that, everything was chocolate.


You must be joking.

Consciousness is one thing but self-consciousness is another. Anyone who doesn't accept that would wish to go back to the primal soup, but we are the only ones that can even postulate such a proposition that might even lead to the speculation that such a condition might exist.

In case you haven't noticed.
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Re: Evolution

Postby urodacus » 28 Dec 2009, 22:51

are we?
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Re: Evolution

Postby Satellite TV » 28 Dec 2009, 23:00

trubadour wrote:You must be joking. Consciousness is one thing but self-consciousness is another. Anyone who doesn't accept that would wish to go back to the primal soup, but we are the only ones that can even postulate such a proposition that might even lead to the speculation that such a condition might exist.

In case you haven't noticed.


Humans are not the only ones aware of self consiousness.
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Re: Evolution

Postby trubadour » 28 Dec 2009, 23:03

urodacus wrote:are we?


so went the last cry of the Darwanist..
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Re: Evolution

Postby Tempo Gain » 28 Dec 2009, 23:10

Humanity certainly has no shortage of conceits.
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Re: Evolution

Postby trubadour » 28 Dec 2009, 23:18

What is humanity?
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Re: Evolution

Postby GeographicCure » 29 Dec 2009, 09:29

Christ. I miss Fortigurn.
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'...but man, proud man,
Drest in a little brief authority,
Most ignorant of what he's most assur'd,
His glassy essence, like an angry ape,
Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven
As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,
Would all themselves laugh mortal.'
-W Shakespeare
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Re: Evolution

Postby Dr. McCoy » 29 Dec 2009, 13:59

GeographicCure wrote:Christ.

No. I don't think you meant Christ in the scriptural sense. You probably lack the proper theological training to understand that.
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Yes. You.
GeographicCure wrote:miss Fortigurn.

No. I don't believe he is an unmarried female. But I could be wrong.
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