Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby hardball » 30 Mar 2010, 15:39

Top Vatican officials — including the future Pope Benedict XVI — did not defrock a priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys, even though several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church, according to church files newly unearthed as part of a lawsuit.

The internal correspondence from bishops in Wisconsin directly to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, shows that while church officials tussled over whether the priest should be dismissed, their highest priority was protecting the church from scandal.

The documents emerge as Pope Benedict is facing other accusations that he and direct subordinates often did not alert civilian authorities or discipline priests involved in sexual abuse when he served as an archbishop in Germany and as the Vatican’s chief doctrinal enforcer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world ... an.html?hp

Oh, btw, Joseph Ratzinger is now the Pope.

April may be the cruelest month, but March has been pretty merciless for Pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic Church. The Vatican hierarchy has been swamped with accusations concerning sexual abuse of children perpetrated by priests in Wisconsin, Germany, and Ireland. The emerging stories all suggest that church leaders had been, at best, grossly negligent in handling the abuse charges brought to their attention. And at worst, they suggest that the Vatican had a hand in covering up crucial details in all three cases


Here’s a rundown of the relevant information:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100329/ ... ews_ts1364

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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby MJB » 30 Mar 2010, 21:28

There's obviously only one thing you can do.
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby hardball » 30 Mar 2010, 21:38

Christopher Hitchens on Real Time w Bill Maher, March 26, 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Wsm5LBe0w

I wonder if the States of Kentucky and Wisconsin AGs will go after the Church. I hope so. The worldwide pattern of systematic abuse, cover-up and denial is just too much of a target. Leave God out of it and bring down the Church. :thumbsup:
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby Chris » 30 Mar 2010, 21:43

MJB wrote:There's obviously only one thing you can do.

Great one! :roflmao:
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby Tempo Gain » 30 Mar 2010, 23:45

Chris wrote:
MJB wrote:There's obviously only one thing you can do.

Great one! :roflmao:


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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby analogue_kid » 31 Mar 2010, 00:57

hardball wrote:Christopher Hitchens on Real Time w Bill Maher, March 26, 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Wsm5LBe0w

I wonder if the State of Wisconsin AG will go after the Church. I hope so. The worldwide pattern of systematic abuse, cover-up and denial is just too much of a target. Leave God out of it and bring down the Church. :thumbsup:


If they did, Ratfink would do what Poop John Pedophile did twice: grant asylum to fugitives.

Bernard Law was given refuge for covering up for pedopriests in Boston, and will be in the Morally Vacant City until the statute of limitations runs out.

Paul Marcinkus, a bishop from Chicago in the 1980s, was the "Vatican Banker" and did illegal land flipping deals with the Mafia. He was a wanted man and was allowed to hide in the Morally Vacant City until the statute of limitations ran out on him. He can no longer be prosecuted for the frauds he participated in. (See also: the murder of Roberto Calvi.)

Don't worry. At some point, Poop Ratfink will forgive the children for being sexual predators who tempted priests. (Poe's Law applies.)
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby divea » 31 Mar 2010, 01:17

What's with all the name changing??
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby Namahottie » 31 Mar 2010, 01:20

Chris wrote:
MJB wrote:There's obviously only one thing you can do.

Great one! :roflmao:


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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby bismarck » 31 Mar 2010, 01:35

These priests should be horse whipped and then sent to prison where their fantasies can finally be fulfilled.

Edit: As to the video above. I object. Peter wasn't a Papist, so he couldn't have been the first Pope. The first Pope was Emperor Constantine.
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Re: Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys

Postby hardball » 31 Mar 2010, 07:49

The Pope Is Not Above the LawThe crimes within the Catholic Church demand justice.
By Christopher Hitchens

Pope Benedict XVI . Click image to expand.Pope Benedict XVI One by one, as I predicted, the pathetic excuses of Joseph Ratzinger's apologists evaporate before our eyes. It was said until recently that when the Rev. Peter Hullermann was found to be a vicious pederast in 1980, the man who is now Pope had no personal involvement in his subsequent transfer to his own diocese or in his later unimpeded career as a rapist and a molester. But now we find that the psychiatrist to whom the church turned for "therapy" was adamant that Hullermann never be allowed to go near children ever again. We also find that Ratzinger was one of those to whom the memo about Hullermann's transfer was actually addressed. All attempts to place the blame on a loyal subordinate, Ratzinger's vicar general, the Rev. Gerhard Gruber, have predictably failed. According to a recent report, "the transfer of Father Hullermann from Essen would not have been a routine matter, experts said." Either that—damning enough in itself—or it perhaps would have been a routine matter, which is even worse. Certainly the pattern—of finding another parish with fresh children for the priest to assault—is the one that has become horribly "routine" ever since and became standard practice when Ratzinger became a cardinal and was placed in charge of the church's global response to clerical pederasty.

So now a new defense has had to be hastily improvised. It is argued that, during his time as archbishop of Munich and Freising, Germany, Ratzinger was more preoccupied with doctrinal questions than with mere disciplinary ones. Of course, of course: The future Pope had his eyes fixed on ethereal and divine matters and could not be expected to concern himself with parish-level atrocities. This cobbled-up apologia actually repays a little bit of study. What exactly were these doctrinal issues? Well, apart from punishing a priest who celebrated a Mass at an anti-war demonstration—which incidentally does seem to argue for a "hands-on" approach to individual clergymen—Ratzinger's chief concern appears to have been that of first communion and first confession. Over the previous decade, it had become customary in Bavaria to subject small children to their first communion at a tender age but to wait a year until they made their first confession. It was a matter of whether they were old enough to understand. Enough of this liberalism, said Ratzinger, the first confession should come in the same year as the first communion. One priest, the Rev. Wilfried Sussbauer, reports that he wrote to Ratzinger expressing misgivings about this and received "an extremely biting letter" in response.

So it seems that 1) Ratzinger was quite ready to take on individual priests who gave him any trouble, and 2) he was very firm on one crucial point of doctrine: Get them young. Tell them in their infancy that it is they who are the sinners. Instill in them the necessary sense of guilt. This is not at all without relevance to the disgusting scandal into which the Pope has now irretrievably plunged the church he leads. Almost every episode in this horror show has involved small children being seduced and molested in the confessional itself. To take the most heart-rending cases to have emerged recently, namely the torment of deaf children in the church-run schools in Wisconsin and Verona, Italy, it is impossible to miss the calculated manner in which the predators used the authority of the confessional in order to get their way. And again the identical pattern repeats itself: Compassion is to be shown only to the criminals. Ratzinger's own fellow clergy in Wisconsin wrote to him urgently—by this time he was a cardinal in Rome, supervising the global Catholic cover-up of rape and torture—beseeching him to remove the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, who had comprehensively wrecked the lives of as many as 200 children who could not communicate their misery except in sign language. And no response was forthcoming until Father Murphy himself appealed to Ratzinger for mercy—and was granted it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2249130/

And in Kentucky, people are suing to hold the Vatican responsible:
VATICAN CITY – Dragged deeper than ever into the clerical sex abuse scandal, the Vatican is launching a legal defense that it hopes will shield the Pope from a lawsuit in Kentucky seeking to have him answer attorneys' questions under oath.

Court documents obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press show that Vatican lawyers plan to argue that the Pope has immunity as head of state, that American bishops who oversaw abusive priests weren't employees of the Vatican, and that a 1962 document is not the "smoking gun" that provides proof of a cover-up.

The Holy See is trying to fend off the first U.S. case to reach the stage of determining whether victims actually have a claim against the Vatican itself for negligence for allegedly failing to alert police or the public about Roman Catholic priests who molested children
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The case was filed in 2004 in Kentucky by three men who claim they were abused by priests and claim negligence by the Vatican. Their attorney, William McMurry, is seeking class-action status for the case, saying there are thousands of victims across the country.

"This case is the only case that has been ever been filed against the Vatican which has as its sole objective to hold the Vatican accountable for all the priest sex abuse ever committed in this country," he said in a phone interview. "There is no other defendant. There's no bishop, no priest."
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