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What do you believe?

Re: What do you believe?

Postby Novaspes » 05 Jun 2013, 20:22

PinchielinOruru wrote:
tomthorne wrote:Why does there always have to be a 'why'?

The reason is simple enough. Why makes human as being human, if not, mere animal.

Christian scientists exert the "why" where they need, or in science fields,
and others use the "why" in different manner in different areas, like in religion field.

"why" is one of the most important thing we human being have.

Why and how, I would say. Otherwise we'd have an half-assed sense of curiosity and no technology.
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby JamesMovieFanatic » 06 Jun 2014, 05:45

I believe:

Takes numerous people to make one believe, but only takes one person to ruin everything one believes in.
Children's innocence is most precious in life. Don't ruin it.
Us humans are parasites, therefore we must expand to outer space, or we're gonna ruin Earth.
Take a few seconds to observe and appreciate the little things in life, or else you'll ruin the meaning of life.
Show you care and love the people around you, or else you'll ruin/cheapen the 3 little words people say.
God(s) doesn't/don't ruin the beliefs, but we can if we don't have strong will.
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby van_6000 » 13 Jul 2014, 01:54

Short answer: We are caterpillars and "the universe" or "All there is", or "God" is like the butterfly.

Long answer with explanations:
I believe that all there is is all there is and that the universe is mathematical (Godel may be right in proving that we cannot prove that but we don't actually have to prove it) and, thus, our individual being, although forever dissipated once we rot or burn, nevertheless remains as part of the universal computer memory. No, I don't believe that there is anyone reading the memory's contents on the screen; I just believe that the universe is an existential unit and that we are among its infinitesimal manifestations which can be stored and retrieved. We, by virtue of being small manifestations of the universe (like little sprouts or grass blades on a field or waves in an ocean or whatever such time-honoured analogy from the ancients) are bigger than ... ourselves just as if the individual cell of my fingers could "see" me, the total organism, as bigger than it and as if it could identify with me. So, once we are free from spatial/temporal constraints, we (now it gets difficult because language cannot describe non-spatial/non-temporal propositions) are no longer individual entities (therefore no afterlife for "you" or "me" under the kind fatherly smile of "God") but we are "reabsorbed" into all there is, but with the ability to "remember" or "retrieve information about" our individual manifestations here in space-time.

Ok, in simple terms, I believe that the universe is all there is, BUT ... there is a lot of stuff in "all there is" that we humans are simply not equipped to perceive or understand -- notice, there is no need to be consigning such "stuff" to such arbitrarily established classifications as "supernatural," "metaphysics," "heaven," etc.

Time and space are themselves a part of the universe and, therefore, not the whole or even the definitive element thereof (hence our inability to conceive any "answer" remotely accurate or relevant to the task of explaining existence -- existence includes a lot of non-spatial and non-temporal ... "stuff").

This does not necessarily mean that the universe is its own God -- the term God is meaningless anyway (it only means IN PRACTICALITY "the big brother who can bail me out of whatever bothers/threatens me," no matter what the purported creeds ).

Now, what does all this mean for us humans or, more importantly, for ME? ("screw everyone else" is the honest but most often non-admitted attitude): It means some good news and some bad news.

1) Bad news: It does not matter what this means to us or to me or whatever. Truth or fact is independent of how we feel about it.

2) Good news: It doesn't, however, have to be bad news. No, (it's true) we cannot go on living in an after life, and no, there is no "God" BUT... that's only because "afterlife" and "God" are nonsensical terms, when you try to define them, like "ugah-chahkah" or like Chomsky's "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously." The ultimate "reason" (itself a teleological and therefore a space-time concept which is thus inadequate in explaining existence and its non-spatial, non-temporal aspects) or "ground" or "proposition" (a more mathematical and less linguistically-constrained term) for MY existence in this life may well be "rememberance" or "reenactment" or "data-retrievae" or "a sub category of mathematical propositions" (crudely speaking, a place, a use, a job, a purpose in the afterlife) for even the tiniest, most insignificant part of this universe. If all there is is all there is, then even microbes, humans, and solar systems (not sufficiently different in terms of size and significance in comparison to even something as small as clusters of galaxies, let alone...ALLTHERE IS) still remain parts of all there is. It's not like they get lost because they are too small and the place is too big for a person to look for them. The needle is lost only to us in a haystack. But the haystack knows (uh... ok, anyway...)

Now, of course, we do not continue living as...souls or resurrected saints or astral bodies in some "after life" but we are recorded for ever in the universe's memory. In a sense, we rejoin "all there is" and, we can be recalled to memory by "all there is" if it is "desirable" or "necessary."

The caterpillar cannot fathom concepts like "flight" or "air" -- they are existentially and qualitatively inaccessible to it. When it becomes a butterfly, it may still wish to go down on ground level and crawl for old times' sake, but its new existence as butterfly, and its new tasks and realities, are more interesting and important to it. But this is something the caterpillar, before tasting "butterfly existence/reality" can neither conceive nor be persuaded of. We humans are the same when it comes to being unable to accept that we are temporary and that there is no continuation to our individual existence. If we could "see" what "All There Is" "sees" (or, "what God knows"), then we would be as relaxed about the death of our caterpillar-like existence as the butterfly is or should be, were it actually prone to, or capable of, such existential musings in the first place.

Now, on to the next question: Ask me what I''ve been smoking :)
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby Zla'od » 13 Jul 2014, 09:51

So what HAVE you been smoking--Brian McLaren or George Zizoulos?
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby van_6000 » 13 Jul 2014, 15:35

Zla'od wrote:So what HAVE you been smoking--Brian McLaren or George Zizoulos?

Ha ha ha. Exactly! Ok, seriously though, all I wrote above are 100% genuine, albeit simplified, positions of mine, given my general agnostic predisposition.

But no, I only like Zizioulas's Orthodoxy and McLaren's...whatever-he-claims-it-to -be insofar as I can criticize them. I am more of a Meister_Eckhart man. :cool:
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby SingingRain » 11 Aug 2014, 19:59

Generally liberal Christian, more or less unable to find my flock in Taiwan. In every way I resemble the average PNW, California, East Coast liberal types who subscribe to "God" and "I Fucking Love Science" and "A Mighty Girl", except most of them seem to be unaffiliated, non-religious, "secular humanist", agnostic or atheist and I'm not. Socially I am very liberal and do not at all believe in a gay-hating or sexist God!

Christian because it's the culture I grew up in, so if I'm going to believe there's a God, why not do it through my own cultural lens? But I don't necessarily believe the "aesthetics" are right - clouds and angels and a God who looks like an old man and a Satan with a pitchfork and red horns etc.. Nobody really knows, could look like anything or nothing at all. I don't think it matters!! Maybe God looks like Buddha or Ishtar. That'd be cool. Not Christian like "the Bible is totally right and everyone else is wrong", although I do believe Jesus was a prophet from Heaven. Perhaps the Resurrection was a metaphor, but the rest of it I believe.

A lot of people wouldn't think I am Christian - the fundies and the Bible-thumpers. They'd probably accuse me of being weak-kneed. In Taiwan all I seem to find are conservative Christians even among Taiwanese congregations. But from my side, I feel that the fundies and the LGBT-hating conservative Christians who think women belong in the home tending to their man are the ones who make us all look bad.

We're not all like that, I swear! :cool:
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby lalumiere » 27 Nov 2014, 18:01

Hi I'm new here,nice to meet you!
I believe in God too,and I think that God is the source of Man’s life and God Is Sovereign over the destiny of all mankind!
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby Ermintrude » 27 Nov 2014, 18:56

I'm a Catholic in the Henry VIIIth sense of the word (Not actually as silly or paradoxical as it sounds).
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby Reaperjim » 15 Aug 2015, 14:22

Non-denominational Christian. Regarded by fellow Christians as theologically very liberal (it's always relative). Don't believe in a spiritual heaven, Satan or demons as actual persons, no mind-body dualism. Agnostic on Trinity and Incarnation. Jesus as the Son and the Way. Very close to Fortigurn's position and we've discussed it at length. Considering identifying as Christadelphian if I solidify my rejection of the Trinity.
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Re: What do you believe?

Postby quest » 30 Dec 2015, 23:15

As the first of my professions involved trying my best to kill people and the second involved trying to delay their departure from this earth, I guess I've seen slightly more of death and dying than the average joe.

I have no idea what comfort people find in religious beliefs during their lifetime, but I'm pretty damn certain that those who had some sort of belief in a god, or spirit, or crystal entity or whatever, faced death a damn sight easier than those who don't.

I could expand upon that by telling you of two different deaths. I did write about them here but then deleted the lines as I felt it disrespectful to the memory of both individuals. I just know that I felt a great deal happier holding the hand of the soul who faced death with a firm conviction that there was a god than I did holding the hand of the atheist.

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