Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Mucha Man » 05 Mar 2011, 17:31

Got To Be Kidding wrote:
dashgalaxy86 wrote:So atheists obviously have no need to help people, right? And without a God, it makes no sense to help someone? God is the only possible justification for doing good deeds? Puh-leeeease.


Nope. Didn't say that. Didn't imply it.

I think that people help each other because we have an built-in need to do that.

What I am saying, is that you should try to see the actions of theists as a part of this desire to help - whether or not that help is misguided.

A normal person, athiest or theist, who sees a person drowning will naturally throw a life-ring to that person.

Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.


Which has what to do with this thread?
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 05 Mar 2011, 21:43

Muzha Man wrote:
Got To Be Kidding wrote:
dashgalaxy86 wrote:So atheists obviously have no need to help people, right? And without a God, it makes no sense to help someone? God is the only possible justification for doing good deeds? Puh-leeeease.


Nope. Didn't say that. Didn't imply it.

I think that people help each other because we have an built-in need to do that.

What I am saying, is that you should try to see the actions of theists as a part of this desire to help - whether or not that help is misguided.

A normal person, athiest or theist, who sees a person drowning will naturally throw a life-ring to that person.

Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.


Which has what to do with this thread?


Many are mystified as to why Christians and like-minded theists are so focused on sharing their faith with everyone.
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Mucha Man » 05 Mar 2011, 22:10

Got To Be Kidding wrote:
Muzha Man wrote:
Got To Be Kidding wrote:
dashgalaxy86 wrote:So atheists obviously have no need to help people, right? And without a God, it makes no sense to help someone? God is the only possible justification for doing good deeds? Puh-leeeease.


Nope. Didn't say that. Didn't imply it.

I think that people help each other because we have an built-in need to do that.

What I am saying, is that you should try to see the actions of theists as a part of this desire to help - whether or not that help is misguided.

A normal person, athiest or theist, who sees a person drowning will naturally throw a life-ring to that person.

Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.


Which has what to do with this thread?


Many are mystified as to why Christians and like-minded theists are so focused on sharing their faith with everyone.


I don't doubt that's true. But what does that have to do with this thread?
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 06 Mar 2011, 01:07

Muzha Man wrote:
Got To Be Kidding wrote:
Muzha Man wrote:
Got To Be Kidding wrote:
dashgalaxy86 wrote:So atheists obviously have no need to help people, right? And without a God, it makes no sense to help someone? God is the only possible justification for doing good deeds? Puh-leeeease.


Nope. Didn't say that. Didn't imply it.

I think that people help each other because we have an built-in need to do that.

What I am saying, is that you should try to see the actions of theists as a part of this desire to help - whether or not that help is misguided.

A normal person, athiest or theist, who sees a person drowning will naturally throw a life-ring to that person.

Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.


Which has what to do with this thread?


Many are mystified as to why Christians and like-minded theists are so focused on sharing their faith with everyone.


I don't doubt that's true. But what does that have to do with this thread?


DG made a germane statement, and I responded with a germane statement. A series of germane statements make a thread.

But hey, I don't mind going back and forth with ridiculous questions. I love being ridiculous. :)
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Mucha Man » 06 Mar 2011, 07:51

Indeed you do. Considering there are no theists on board trying to save drowning lives your comment is off-the-wall, or Germaine perhaps.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Tempo Gain » 06 Mar 2011, 12:40

Muzha Man wrote: I guess you were. Apologies.


I really did feel so. Have to run but wanted to say thanks first, and retract what I unwisely said there in the heat of the moment.
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby divea » 06 Mar 2011, 13:22

Tempo Gain wrote:
Muzha Man wrote: I guess you were. Apologies.


I really did feel so. Have to run but wanted to say thanks first, and retract what I unwisely said there in the heat of the moment.

But it was fun to see you lose your cool! :lol:
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 06 Mar 2011, 13:35

Muzha Man wrote:Indeed you do. Considering there are no theists on board trying to save drowning lives your comment is off-the-wall, or Germaine perhaps.


Oh for crying out loud. Look, a part of this discussion is about a civil discussion of where atheism and theism INTERACT. Part of that interaction causes friction. An explanation of the reasons for the friction in that interaction are G-E-R-M-A-N-E to this discussion. (Germaine is either an olive or a yarn. I had to look it up, 'cuz my spelling ability isn't so great, either.)
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby sandman » 06 Mar 2011, 14:09

Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.

Not how I read it. I see a bunch of non-believers all-too-ready to call believers idiots or whatever and a bunch of believers calling non-believers idiots or whatever. :roll:
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Re: Theism vs. Atheism: Civil Discussion

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 06 Mar 2011, 14:31

sandman wrote:
Likewise, if a theist sees you 'on the road to hell', he/she will try to 'throw you a life-ring' to give you a chance to 'save' yourself. It's completely natural.

Not how I read it. I see a bunch of non-believers all-too-ready to call believers idiots or whatever and a bunch of believers calling non-believers idiots or whatever. :roll:


I completely understand that. If we could all step away from invective and look at each other as people just trying to do the best that we can... well, we'd get somewhere. And, for those who act like idiots... well, lets try not to return fire for fire.

We've all been idiots once upon a time. :)
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