bob wrote:Interesting. What's the "new" answer to the problem of theodicy?
Good question. However, theodicy actually being a problem is based on the assumption there is a deity who is all good and all powerful, so one must first have that assumption to even ask that question (unless they are simply asking in a theoretical sense).
bob wrote:God created a situation whereby many people are constitutionally incapable of faith and yet will be judged precisely on that basis.
Believers tend to believe no one is INCAPABLE of faith, thus this part of the questions falls away.
bob wrote:Would a loving god do that? Where's the "new" way of responding to that question? Does god simply reward the delusional? To have faith in the Bible at this point would mean you were crazy and/or ignorant and/or low IQ.
You did just assert that EVERYONE that believes in the bible is either a. crazy, b. ignorant, c. stupid or d. all of the above. There are many intelligent, sane and quite knowledgeable people who believe in the bible. There are also plenty of ignorant, crazy stupid people who are atheists. So, yeah, this statement was more your own rant than anything to do with the question of theodicy.
bob wrote:Is that what it takes to be forgiven for acting on (or even thinking about) the urges that god supposedly gave us?
If you had no urges to overcome, what would be the point of reward and punishment? Reward is given for fighting those urges-since it is VERY difficult to overcome them, hence you are worthy of reward. Nuttin good ever came easy as they say.
bob wrote:The Bible is supposed to be the inerrant word of god and is filled with errors. Have the modern theologians really been coming up with answers to problems like this?
Yes, as have theologians for centuries.
bob wrote:Seems to me quite a few have been analyzing the data and deciding themselves the thing whole thing makes not a a squirt of sense. LOTS of people drop out of seminary precisely because the more you know about religion the more likely you are to see through it. Some students push through and share a dumbed down version of Christianity but many aren't that corrupt.
From my experience, most share the 'dumbed down' version. Even in Judaism, what do your think the Reform and Conservative movements do? These are seminaries that are actually built upon the dumbed down versions.
bob wrote:God is unchanging and all knowing. How does that jive with the fact that the God of the old testament knew so little about science,
Oh, he knew, we didn't.
bob wrote:was a psychopathic murderer, and concerned himself only with the fate of an insignificant (relative to all the other civilizations Chinese, Aztec, North American Aborigine etc. existing at the time) and yet was supposed to be, well, GOD and a loving one at that.
Because the Jews are awesome (now I'm just being silly).
bob wrote:And Jesus associated with that monster. Where is the sense in THAT!
Christianity isn't always negative in it's effects, but is always completely irrational at it's core. That has been made crystal clear. If people want to sustain delusions that is their right, what should not (IMHO) go unchallenged is the notion that that position warrants "respect." The person might deserve respect, his right to hold a position certainly deserves respect, but notions of supernatural agents? That is lunacy,and of a kind that invariably leads to atrocity.
How so? (does this SINGLE point bring about that effect?)
bob wrote:The theocratic leadership of Tibet prior to the Chinese invasion was as brutal and cruel as the Taliban would set up now. There are very good "moral" reasons why the supernatural elements of religion need to be constanly challenged. That is demonstrated, abundantly, by the history of moral and scientific advancement. Regardless, nut jobs are still a majority in a lot of places, arguing that, for example, that evolution is "just" a theory. What they don't get is that it is "just" a theory in the sense that "gravity" is "just" a theory. Indeed the theory evolution at this point is better established than the theory of gravity. There is no question that evolution occurred and is still occurring, what is at issue is the precise mechanisms by which it occurs, but there is no way the average person knows that, precisely because liars and their fools maintain, to this day, an inordinate influence over public discourse.
You kinda took a bunch of issues, threw them in the blender, and wrote this paragraph. Too much to unpack in any meaningful sense.