Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

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Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby cyberguppy » 12 Mar 2012, 16:27

This is an open question to anyone with some experience with finding NON English teaching work.

Especially related to a trading company or perhaps any business that does foreign trade. I'm looking for any entry point or foot in the door into a local or foreign company here in Taiwan. I'm prepared to start at an entry level position even if it means dealing with foreign sales, communicating with foreign clients etc etc just to get started.

I have a Masters in Finance and 2 years work experience related to research, 4 years teaching experience in Taiwan.

I've been using local search engines such as 104, 111 and a few others to find a non teaching job. I already have a few interviews lined up with some decent companies. There are a lot of options here but do I meet the legal requirements for applying for these posts.

Looking at the government website about requirements for foreign professionals, it seems quite tough to enter the corporate world here as a foreigner. http://law.moj.gov.tw/eng/LawClass/LawA ... e=N0090031

Here is the deal from the government website:

First, you must meet one of these requirements.

Qualifications:

Other than meeting with other criteria specified in the Standards, foreign employees have to acquire one of the following qualifications before undertaking the jobs/assignments specified here above:
1. Acquire certificates or operation qualifications through the procedures specified in the Examinations of Specific Profession and Technician Guidelines.
2. Acquire credentials of Master degree or above from universities in the ROC or in foreign countries or acquire Bachelor degree and with more than two years working experiences in the specific field.
3. Expatriates to the ROC that have been employed in multi-national companies for more than one year.
4. Specialists who have been trained professionally or self-taught in the specific field and have more than five years experiences in related skills and have demonstrated outstanding performances.

It seems like my Masters can get me through here.

Industries for foreign professionals.

1. Civil engineering or practice of architecture;
2. Communications and transportation;
3. Tax and financial services;
4. Practice of real estate agency;
5. Immigration services;
6. Practice of attorneys, or of patent attorneys;
7. Practice of technicians;
8. Health care;
9. Environmental protection;
10. Culture, sports, and recreation services;
11. Academic research;
12. Practice of veterinarians;
13. Manufacturing;
14. Wholesales; or

15. Other work designated as per the joint consultation of the central governing authority and the central competent authorities.

I can narrow my options down to the following: Financial, Manufacturing and maybe wholesales.


Specific requirements now include:

Job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the tax & financial service field should be within the following categories:
1. Securities & Future Trading
(1) planning, research, analysis, management and new technique initiation work on securities and marketable securities.
(2) Future trading, investment, analysis, auditing in the financial and business sectors or new techniques initiation.
2. Financial industry: depositing, crediting, investing, trusting, foreign exchange , other financial businesses recognized by the central competent authorities along with authority concerned at the central government level and the planning, research & analysis, management & consulting work of these business sectors.
3. Insurance industry: Claims for life or property insurance, approval of insurance policy, actuary, investment, information, re-insurance, insurance brokerage, insurance agent, training, notarization, engineering , risk management or new techniques initiation.
4. Assisting businesses or services specified by the CPA Guidelines.

The job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the manufacturing industry should include: operational management, research, analysis, design, planning, maintenance, consultation, instrument installation and technical supervision.

The job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the wholesale business should include: operational management, design, planning and technical supervision.

So my question here is.. It seems like Finance is an option here for me but only with a financial institution, not a regular company.

But what about trading companies, sales or those doing international business? I'm also curious where technical writers fall in here because that might be a starting point. Or are there any other means of getting in that I'm not aware of.

Comments or thoughts from anyone with any knowledge or non teaching experience will be most welcome.
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby the bear » 12 Mar 2012, 17:10

I've worked in a few trading companies as an "English secretary" but never legally. Generally they can't get work permits for foreigners because they (the companies) are too small and they can't demonstrate any real need for a foreigner. English secretary is not recognized as a category for a work permit since local Taiwanese can perform that work. That's why most non-teachers here fall into editing/translating/tech writing type jobs.
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby bigduke6 » 12 Mar 2012, 17:26

Correct. I have worked for a few trading companies as a consultant (not specifically in an English capacity). They were all in the same industry I have been in for the last 10 years (clothing). However, I have a JFRV.

I asked why the company did not hire other foreigners, and got the answer that it is difficult to get work permits for them, even with industry experience. There are enough Taiwanese who speak a sufficient level of English to do foreign trade. I have a Taiwanese friend working for the biggest trading company in a specific industry here. He gets 40K a month. He works till 7PM most nights. So the companies know they will not find a foreigner that would take this type of salary even if they wanted to.

It was actually the business culture that did my head in. If someone screws the pooch, god forbid you crap them out like in a Western co. This would take 5 minutes. To preserve face you have to talk around the point for 6 hours telling him what a good job he is doing meaning what a bad job he is doing. Or when the managers,fathers, uncles, friends, cousins son gets a job with 0 knowledge or experience in the industry due to guangxi.

Although I think this system is extremely inefficient, I accept it is the way things are done here and on the mainland. However, when I do business with the mainland I am the foreign devil customer, so it expected of me to scream and shout. :discodance:

I would advise to look for a position in an industry where you have specific experience. At a trading co it is likely all you would do is correct emails or occasionally make a telephone call.
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby Icon » 12 Mar 2012, 17:46

Actually, I have several classmates and fellow Latinos working legally in both financial institutions -investment holdings kind of stuff- or diverse trading companies. salaries are not outstanding, but it is a good stepping stone: they get contacts in the industry, and move to greener pastures. Some have taken the knowledge and strated their own company. :wink:

Trading companies in Taiwan are on the way out, as most contacts are being handled directly from the Chinese production facilities. At least there is a market for Spanish speaker, albeit small, preferably Overseas Compatriots. That is why there is some difficulty in getting these jobs. getting permits for foreigners means opening your tax books and other interesting books to authorities, as the company must be checked to have a minimum. That is why you shouldn't look at places that do not already have a foreign worker. Inventing the hot water will not work here. 40K is the minimum minimum -foreigner must earn double the minimum salary of Taiwanese per law, that is why I said it is low.

Going directly to certain companies -bike industry comes to mind, maybe petrochemical- might be a good strategy for info/openings.
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Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby headhonchoII » 12 Mar 2012, 19:21

What do you have an interest in? What can you bring to the table?
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby Mr He » 12 Mar 2012, 19:28

I am not asking anyone to do anything illegal, however would it be too dangerous to use the investor ARC route?
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby cyberguppy » 12 Mar 2012, 21:18

headhonchoII wrote:What do you have an interest in? What can you bring to the table?
There's usually no quick way, you just get your foot in the door and work from there.


I completely agree. However, other than a financial career, which is an option for me here (but not my first choice by any means - for various reasons) can another career in trade/sales or other be pursued legitimately within the legal boundaries. (As a single male going on 30 without a JFRV and unable to apply for the APRC due to low salary in my 5th year in TW). I'm aware I could drag on my life through Finance or teaching for another year just to stay on and hope something works out, but I feel that I've spent enough time doing jobs that I know aren't in my long term interest. I guess I can just feel the clock ticking and my career development not taking off.

I have been receiving interviews for jobs can do and would be a great start. The problem seems to be that it's not within the framework of the law for these companies to hire me for these positions. Many companies don't seem to know it and sometimes they don't ask because they assume it's possible and perhaps they haven't had experience hiring foreigners. Some ask me at interviews if I know the visa requirements. I'm just not sure I want to say it's legit and then set them up for a nasty surprise after giving me the job and then finding out they can't do it legally.

I'm sure there are some that have managed to tiptoe around the government requirements set out for foreign professionals here (http://www.evta.gov.tw)
I'd be curious how they went about it and even better, if a career outside of my financial specialization could be a perfectly legal option.

Thanks again and all comments are appreciated.
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Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby headhonchoII » 12 Mar 2012, 23:13

There have other threads with the same topic. I think with a masters it is one year job experience or less that is required, outside Taiwan. If showing experience is necessary and you don't have it be creative.
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby cyberguppy » 12 Mar 2012, 23:35

headhonchoII wrote:There have other threads with the same topic. I think with a masters it is one year job experience or less that is required, outside Taiwan. If showing experience is necessary and you don't have it be creative.


I had a brief look around but I couldn't find them. Would you mind sending the link if possible.

Also, while my qualifications may be sound, looking at the specific requirements (see below) outlined by the government, do you know how to get around or fit into these regulations for international trade or sales. Any past experience with this would be welcome. I'm concerned about the application and how I can explain it to a company interested in hiring me.

Thanks

Specific requirements now include:

Job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the tax & financial service field should be within the following categories:
1. Securities & Future Trading
(1) planning, research, analysis, management and new technique initiation work on securities and marketable securities.
(2) Future trading, investment, analysis, auditing in the financial and business sectors or new techniques initiation.
2. Financial industry: depositing, crediting, investing, trusting, foreign exchange , other financial businesses recognized by the central competent authorities along with authority concerned at the central government level and the planning, research & analysis, management & consulting work of these business sectors.
3. Insurance industry: Claims for life or property insurance, approval of insurance policy, actuary, investment, information, re-insurance, insurance brokerage, insurance agent, training, notarization, engineering , risk management or new techniques initiation.
4. Assisting businesses or services specified by the CPA Guidelines.

The job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the manufacturing industry should include: operational management, research, analysis, design, planning, maintenance, consultation, instrument installation and technical supervision.

The job descriptions for foreigners to be employed in the wholesale business should include: operational management, design, planning and technical supervision.
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Re: Requirements for Working at a Trading Company in Taiwan

Postby bumclouds » 13 Mar 2012, 00:21

headhonchoII wrote:There have other threads with the same topic. I think with a masters it is one year job experience or less that is required, outside Taiwan. If showing experience is necessary and you don't have it be creative.


I was told if you have a masters you don't need any experience. I've been on the phone to Labor Affairs a lot recently.

Your prospective employer has a minimum revenue requirement, too. A company applied for my permit recently, but it was declined and they were told their revenue must be above 10million NT per year.
I think that figure depends on the company's age. Check with other Forumosans.

As for the employment catagory / job title. I wouldn't panic about that. If you can make yourself sound like a one-of-a-kind specialist, you should be OK.
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