No degree: Should I lie?

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No degree: Should I lie?

Postby Rixarena » 27 Apr 2012, 15:36

Hi,
I was at university around 4 years ago where I completed 2 years of a degree in electronic and computer engineering and did a placement at a company in the UK, I did not finish my degree and then started my own company which I have been running for several years but am looking to move on and go to Taiwan. So the question is should I lie and say I completed my degree (and try to fake a certificate if necessary) would it ever come into question if I said I had a degree on my CV, I can more than pass off the competence for it but didn't know what the legal turmoil might be? I am looking to start a distance learning course soon so will have one in 3 years but didn't want this to hold me back.

any suggestions?
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby bigduke6 » 27 Apr 2012, 16:53

Plenty have tried with fake degrees, and plenty have been caught. They do actually check that degrees are valid and not fake.
That being said you are asking if it is ok for you to commit fraud.
I doubt many will advise you to commit fraud, but ultimately only you can answer your question.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Confuzius » 27 Apr 2012, 17:23

If anyone says "yes" their post will probably get temped, as we are not allowed to promote illegal activity or some such.

So unless you refresh this page every 30 seconds, depending on the mod, all the answers will be negative
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby jimipresley » 27 Apr 2012, 17:29

Confuzius wrote:If anyone says "yes" their post will probably get temped, as we are not allowed to promote illegal activity or some such.

So unless you refresh this page every 30 seconds, depending on the mod, all the answers will be negative

No, it won't be Temped, it will be removed and a warning issued.

What the OP is asking about constitutes fraud, an illegal activity, and f.com doesn't condone illegal activities.

The reason why this thread still exists is so that the community can weigh in and advise the OP on the pure folly of his/her suggestion. That is not illegal.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Steviebike » 27 Apr 2012, 17:41

Must resist the urge.

YES it is wrong to lie. Don't do it and as it's been pointed out - illegal.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Confuzius » 27 Apr 2012, 18:29

jimipresley wrote:
Confuzius wrote:If anyone says "yes" their post will probably get temped, as we are not allowed to promote illegal activity or some such.

So unless you refresh this page every 30 seconds, depending on the mod, all the answers will be negative

No, it won't be Temped, it will be removed and a warning issued.

What the OP is asking about constitutes fraud, an illegal activity, and f.com doesn't condone illegal activities.

The reason why this thread still exists is so that the community can weigh in and advise the OP on the pure folly of his/her suggestion. That is not illegal.


See, even the pornstars try to keep this place clean (sorry, couldn't resist :roflmao: )

But yes, it is bad bad bad to lie, do not do it or you will go to hell :fume:
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Confuzius » 27 Apr 2012, 18:30

bigduke6 wrote:Plenty have tried with fake degrees, and plenty have been caught. They do actually check that degrees are valid and not fake.
That being said you are asking if it is ok for you to commit fraud.
I doubt many will advise you to commit fraud, but ultimately only you can answer your question.


Is that true? How do they do so?

I doubt they checked mine (which is real btw) its just a really obscure school and I do not think they would have contacted them.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Petrichor » 27 Apr 2012, 19:06

Rixarena wrote:Hi,
I was at university around 4 years ago where I completed 2 years of a degree in electronic and computer engineering and did a placement at a company in the UK, I did not finish my degree and then started my own company which I have been running for several years but am looking to move on and go to Taiwan. So the question is should I lie and say I completed my degree (and try to fake a certificate if necessary) would it ever come into question if I said I had a degree on my CV, I can more than pass off the competence for it but didn't know what the legal turmoil might be? I am looking to start a distance learning course soon so will have one in 3 years but didn't want this to hold me back.

any suggestions?


If you've been running a legitimate business for a few years there's nothing to stop you opening a branch of your business here and getting an ARC that way. This is what we've done and have two year ARCs. No need for a degree.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby bigduke6 » 27 Apr 2012, 20:59

Confuzius wrote:
bigduke6 wrote:Plenty have tried with fake degrees, and plenty have been caught. They do actually check that degrees are valid and not fake.
That being said you are asking if it is ok for you to commit fraud.
I doubt many will advise you to commit fraud, but ultimately only you can answer your question.


Is that true? How do they do so?

I doubt they checked mine (which is real btw) its just a really obscure school and I do not think they would have contacted them.



My wife has a friend that works for the MOE, who told me all degrees are checked for authenticity. I am not sure of the actual process.
Makes sense otherwise 99% of those teaching would have degrees from some dodgy website. I reluctantly admit that a friend of mine worked for one of these...ahem Universities...
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby bigduke6 » 27 Apr 2012, 21:01

Petrichor wrote:
Rixarena wrote:Hi,
I was at university around 4 years ago where I completed 2 years of a degree in electronic and computer engineering and did a placement at a company in the UK, I did not finish my degree and then started my own company which I have been running for several years but am looking to move on and go to Taiwan. So the question is should I lie and say I completed my degree (and try to fake a certificate if necessary) would it ever come into question if I said I had a degree on my CV, I can more than pass off the competence for it but didn't know what the legal turmoil might be? I am looking to start a distance learning course soon so will have one in 3 years but didn't want this to hold me back.

any suggestions?


If you've been running a legitimate business for a few years there's nothing to stop you opening a branch of your business here and getting an ARC that way. This is what we've done and have two year ARCs. No need for a degree.


Are there not certain investment requirements?

I think the OP needs to explain his/her reason for wanting to come to TW.
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