No degree: Should I lie?

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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby Abacus » 28 Apr 2012, 12:07

I know of a teacher that has had a little trouble getting work permits because his school either changed names or closed down. You might get away with it but they do check. And it seems likely that lies like this would be discovered at the most inopportune time. I'm not sure I would like it if my entire world could be turned upside down because of something like this. The same applies to teaching illegally tbh.
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby jimipresley » 28 Apr 2012, 12:14

Just a point of order here, ladies and gentlemen: The OP at no time stated that he/she was looking for a teaching job.
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby divea » 28 Apr 2012, 13:10

jimipresley wrote:Just a point of order here, ladies and gentlemen: The OP at no time stated that he/she was looking for a teaching job.

Is there any other job one can apply for sans a degree a of any sort????? (Not to mention experience :roll: )
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby Super Hans » 28 Apr 2012, 15:05

I wouldn't recommend lying either, it's not just illegal, but also unethical, immoral and just plain tacky, but I wonder if it's true that the OP really could fake the competency of an English teacher, assuming that's the type of work he/she is interested in, isn't a certain level of competence required?


Just like the teaching of English industry then. Mostly illegal, certainly grey area, immoral and tacky.
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Re: no degree should i lie?

Postby Mother Theresa » 28 Apr 2012, 15:28

Nuit wrote:
Mother Theresa wrote:it's not just illegal, but also unethical, immoral and just plain tacky, but I wonder if it's true that the OP really could fake the competency of an English teacher, assuming that's the type of work he/she is interested in, isn't a certain level of competence required?


It's all of those things, but then again we all lie at some point in our lives. I've known people who've lied here (or even been told to lie by local agents) in order to obtain teaching positions. If the post doesn't require any official teaching qualifications, then there's precious little difference between an 'OP with 2 years of a degree course completed' vs 'a graduate' and I can understand the frustration this may cause and the temptation to do something about it.

It's not like he's applying to be a doctor and then removing gall bladders.


I wasn't thinking of the OP's lack of a degree so much as his/her lousy English skills. But, perhaps that's not a serious issue when seeking teaching jobs in Taiwan.
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby ironlady » 28 Apr 2012, 22:02

I'm kinda waiting for someone to point out that Taiwan doesn't recognize distance-learning degrees.
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby cranky laowai » 28 Apr 2012, 22:09

ironlady wrote:I'm kinda waiting for someone to point out that Taiwan doesn't recognize distance-learning degrees.

Um:
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby ironlady » 28 Apr 2012, 23:09

Damn. I really need to start drinking coffee. :D
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby jp_mtl » 30 Apr 2012, 04:22

ironlady wrote:I'm kinda waiting for someone to point out that Taiwan doesn't recognize distance-learning degrees.


Out of curiosity, would that include Harvard Extension School, for example?
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Re: No degree: Should I lie?

Postby ironlady » 30 Apr 2012, 05:15

And the University of Northern South Dakota at Hoople as well.
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