No degree: Should I lie?

[Mr He]

You should not lie about something which other people went to the expense in time and work to get.

I spent a few years of my life getting a degree, and well some idiots want to leech off that by claiming they have a degree?

Shame on them, I say.

[Chris]

How about completing your degree? A lot of options are available.

[GuyInTaiwan]

I wouldn't lie about not having a degree, for all of the reasons already pointed out.

I'll tell you a story though. I actually used to know someone (still know of him) who has been here for about five years now. He's completely illegal and doesn't have a degree. Before he came here, he did some sort of Mickey Mouse one month tourism diploma. One of his friends had taught in Taiwan or something like that, so he decided to do that too. Shortly after he started his "diploma", he contacted a major chain buxiban in Taiwan and they gave him a job, based upon him "doing a course that he was going to finish soon".

After being here for about three weeks and working for them, they approached him one day and said he didn't have a degree. He told them that he knew he didn't. They said, "But you told us you had a degree." He then told them that no he hadn't told them that, which is actually true. They kicked him out of course, though for a couple of weeks afterwards, he used to sneak into the company dorm and sleep on the floor, until he lined up enough other work and a proper place to stay.

Pretty much all the time that he's been in Taiwan since, he's made 100,000NTD+/month, and often 140,000NTD/month precisely because he knows how to game the system with the best of them. It does amuse me that he has outplayed Taiwan laobans on many an occasion with his economy with the truth, as in the story of how he came to be here (frankly, that chain, or someone like Dewey, probably should have poached him and made him the head of their HR department, if not CEO, given what a dodgy bastard he is). However, I think he's also an idiot because it's only a matter of time before he gets caught (it surprises me that he's been in and out of the country some 40+ times and no one has ever bothered to look at him a little more closely) and there's obviously no long term for him here like this. I also think he's quite a sketchy/irresponsible guy in many ways and wouldn't want him, or anyone like him, around my kids. Then again, in that respect, I don't believe he's atypical of this industry, just a more extreme case.

He seems like the kind of guy who, if he weren't doing this, would be brilliant in sales, or would probably be running his own ponzi scheme somewhere, or would be smuggling arms in exchange for conflict diamonds. It takes a certain kind of person to do what he's doing here though, and like most people breaking the law, he will eventually get caught (though the payoff after having made some 200,000-280,000USD up until now will probably outweigh the slap on the wrist that he will get from the government).

[sandman]

I dunno. FOr English teaching? DO what you can get away with. There was a guy just the other day though -- a high-up in the government who lied about his qualifications way back when he was a newbie. He got several major demerits (which means NO pension, NO health insurance, etc) and fired. Poor bastard is in his 60s now. These little falsifications can follow you around. He's gone from having his photo taken with the bigwigs to trundling around his community with a recycling cart.

[bumclouds]

If I was thinking about doing something illegal I wouldn't post it on here. Labor affairs probably reads this forum.

[steelersman]

If I was thinking about doing something illegal I wouldn't post it on here. Labor affairs probably reads this forum.

I would be surprised if their English is good enough to understand what has been posted.

[John]

Hi,
So the question is should I lie and say I completed my degree

No, because that is illegal.


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