Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby timmyjames » 22 May 2012, 11:00

Taiwan Luthiers wrote:I have a friend who develops iphone/ipad apps, I am under the impression that if you make something like Angry Birds you'd be rich but otherwise I don't think you make much from writing apps. I mean it doesn't take much to write an app (reading a few books on programming and making a simple app for example) but good programmers are hard to find, while most who goes to school are probably little more than copy and paste (and with the Chinese culture the creativity isn't all there).

If I were to get into software development I'd work for a software company, plenty of that in Taiwan, but then I have no experience developing software and only have limited programming skills. I just know that if you pull your own weight in a software company, you wouldn't be making 22,000 a month long, you should be getting more even if you have to work long hours.

I hear people say that life is what you make of it and it doesn't matter what country you're in, that if you work hard you will be rewarded for it. Although sometimes I do wish that there are a better market for luthier service but at this point its hard to know, but I do know that the few qualified luthiers in Taiwan are overworked because the demand outstrip the supply.

Oh and doctors are a dime a dozen in Taiwan and they do not get paid much, but being doctors give you more freedom to immigrate to other countries because doctors are always needed everywhere, especially third world countries.



Maybe true for GPs, but specialists make bank.
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Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby headhonchoII » 22 May 2012, 11:28

Doctors and their families can live a good life in Taiwan, no need to worry for them even if they are not making millions. I'm sure the Doc who setup the private clinic where my wife gave birth is doing well but he literally works 24 hours a day, seeing patients in daytime and on call day and night for births and post natal service. You don't do that for money I can tell you that.

If you want a career try and get good education and training opportunities and then work hard at it probably for many years, first get your foot in the door somewhere, it's the same everywhere, there is no magic formula.
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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby dasmania » 22 May 2012, 12:38

I think you're underestimating the app world by far. To say only the people that make games such as Angrybirds are successful is to compare restuarants to mcdonalds. I've been doing it for about a year as a hobby part time, haven't made too many apps but I have made a couple bucks. But I know several people who have made a pretty decent chunk, you just have to get lucky once in a while and hope an app takes off. I think it'd be a pretty cool concept to be able to travel while living off of what is essentially residuals. Or even to live in Taiwan off of app money.
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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby teamblubee » 28 May 2012, 22:43

aphasiac wrote:
teamblubee wrote: I am not on a tourist visa, didn't come here on one and never been on one, like I said I followed the rep guide to self sponsor my own visa, I didn't start a company in Taiwan. Read the post on the rep office. I love living in Asia come hook or crook I'll be around until my bucket has been kicked. I don't want to "do business" with Asia because like anyone here will tell you, its not something they do because they "Love" it.

I was under the impression that legally the whole point of a rep office is to do business with clients in Taiwan. If you can't show that you're doing business with Taiwanese companies, you won't be able to renew your ARC when it expires.

teamblubee wrote:I make games and apps now because I Love it. Those apps aren't amazing sure but I didn't learn this in school and no one starts out a master, Its all a process of learning.

You've entered a very difficult overly-saturated sector, and are competing against developers who did learn this stuff at school (i.e. much better qualified). If this business covering your cost of living yet, and if not when do you project that it will? Just curious really.


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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby teamblubee » 28 May 2012, 22:53

Taiwan Luthiers wrote:I have a friend who develops iphone/ipad apps, I am under the impression that if you make something like Angry Birds you'd be rich but otherwise I don't think you make much from writing apps. I mean it doesn't take much to write an app (reading a few books on programming and making a simple app for example) but good programmers are hard to find, while most who goes to school are probably little more than copy and paste (and with the Chinese culture the creativity isn't all there).

If I were to get into software development I'd work for a software company, plenty of that in Taiwan, but then I have no experience developing software and only have limited programming skills. I just know that if you pull your own weight in a software company, you wouldn't be making 22,000 a month long, you should be getting more even if you have to work long hours.

I hear people say that life is what you make of it and it doesn't matter what country you're in, that if you work hard you will be rewarded for it. Although sometimes I do wish that there are a better market for luthier service but at this point its hard to know, but I do know that the few qualified luthiers in Taiwan are overworked because the demand outstrip the supply.

Oh and doctors are a dime a dozen in Taiwan and they do not get paid much, but being doctors give you more freedom to immigrate to other countries because doctors are always needed everywhere, especially third world countries.


I would die if I only made 22,000 NT per month, that's peanuts. Thing you don't understand about software engineer especially with smart phones is you don't need to be an angry birds to be successful. Would $5,000 US make your life in TW a little easier?

You can't just "pick up a book" and start coding, it takes time to understand coding, its learning a new language. Also good programmers don't fall from the sky, they all started somewhere. Telling the computer what to do, nothing amazing about it. I am not a big fan of going to schools for the same reason that you mentioned above, schools can't teach creativity especially in TW where they are built on a score based outcome. No matter you can't apply the concepts as long as you get that certificate! Man!!! I hate when I hear locals or even anyone, "I'm just doing this so I can get this certificate" :fume: :fume: :fume: :fume:

When I started I cloned a game, I had no experience and with coding, taking an idea and translating that into computer language is not an easy task. Software development isn't glitzy and I kinda like it that way. Keeps the noise down. There are many developers making hefty chunks of change each month making games.

Think about it like the music industry. Do you want to be signed to a big label have glitz, cameras, lights and the jazz but are over worked, stressed and pressured or would you be a indie band that has a loyal low key group of supporters who follow your work and support you. Trust me software development, especially for mobile is really good. I also notice a lot of guys get in and say OK I'm a indie developer make one app and quit. Chances are you won't be rovio and your single app wont have A BILLION downloads but, 5-10k download across 8-10 apps per month?

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angry birds had an initial investment of 140,000 US and they made billions off of that. That was probably spent to hire coders, artists, sound people, etc....If you don't have 140k to invest what do you do?
Also many creative people cannot code, and coders aren't artistic enough it usually takes someone with both sets of skills to create games/ apps or investments like rovio put down to gather all those people together to create a game. We hear about rovio with their success but have a look into the story about "Rhode Island and 38 studios" can you say FUBAR!
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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby dasmania » 29 May 2012, 03:27

I can't draw worth a damn but I have to say my graphics editing skills have vastly improved. I just buy my buddy (who does anime kind of stuff as a hobby) a 2-4 of beer and he helps me out. How's the android market treating you? Blackberry is having some troubles lately (understatement) with their app store. Anyway, in a week I have the whole summer to pound out some apps and I'm only hoping to get about 20 to 40 paid downloads a day. You make $5 to $10 thousand a month while living in Taiwan? Damn.
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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby ferb79 » 13 Nov 2012, 14:12

I work for an American-Taiwanese company, with location in mainland China.
It's enginering and sales job.
I actually have a hope for career progression. I think the best way for a foreigner to be advanced in TW is to find an international company. They will look for English speakers, and other languages skills are wellcomed.
The salary is fine.. higher than avarage (although I still think it's low)
offcourse being an Engineer with a Master degree helps.
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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby ksidnas » 28 Nov 2012, 15:28

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Re: Career progression in Taiwan... is there hope?

Postby headhonchoII » 28 Nov 2012, 15:48

You are getting shafted mate, it happens. Probably time to move on if you can't get past this guy. They don't do DIRECT talk in Taiwan.
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