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Postby Rascal » 08 Jan 2004, 15:12

If I snogged Rascal or Okami, it wouldn't turn the girlies on ?

I would "turn you off" for good if you ever attempt to do that.
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Postby Bu Lai En » 08 Jan 2004, 21:28

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If I snogged Rascal or Okami, it wouldn't turn the girlies on ?

I would "turn you off" for good if you ever attempt to do that.
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I'd like to see this :lol: 2000 guanxi each for BFM to snog one of you. (I have to witness it live though - the next Happy Hour would be a good time).

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Postby sandman » 08 Jan 2004, 21:34

2,000 from me too if there's tongues, with a further 2,000 if BFM has to physically overcome Rascal's reluctance.
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Postby Mr He » 09 Jan 2004, 08:59

Next we'll be discussing skimming. (Gives the word "brown-nosing" a completely new meaning)
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Postby scooter » 09 Jan 2004, 10:31

MiakaW wrote:Two girls kissing turn lots of men on?? why is that??!!
You don't see us getting turn on by 2 men kissing ??!! ( I don't care either way, but it doesn't turn me on, sexually)


Something I remember from my class on human sexuality in college--an evolutionary perspective on sexuality (if I'm not mistaken).

Men are much more visually oriented (that's why men like porn more than women). So the sight of something sexual (two women kissing) is much more likely to turn them on. Men also have an easier time of separating sex and love.

Women focus more on relationships and feelings. If they think the man is interested in someone else (two men kissing), it can actually be a turn-off.

Also related:
for men sex often comes before love;
for women the progression often goes from love to sex.

Granted, these are broad generalizations, and everyone could probably debate the wording and find some examples to the contrary, but I think there's a bit of truth in there somewhere... And it certainly fits for gays and lesbians too.
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Postby QuietMountain » 09 Jan 2004, 10:40

This really should be called "Bisexual Chick," because it has nothing to do with guys kissing each other. Girls kissing each other is considered "chic" and even stimulating, but guys kissing each other (even when just a simple peck) is considered "sick." And, even joking about it, as BFM did, results in aggressive responses like Rascal gave. If Rascal prefers not to kiss BFM why can't he just say that, without resorting to threats of "turn (the guy) off" if he tries?

Here is an article in the 9 December issue of The Advocate by Bruce Vilanch that deals with this idea. Sorry, I can't find a link to this via their website... so, we'll see how my typing skills are. The emphasis of parts, in bold, is mine.

Straight guys who thumb through their girlfriend's copy of Playgirl -- c'mon, there have got to be one or two women who read it -- have often been known to close the magazine and pronounce with a certain authority that all the naked guys in there are gay. This is supposed to automatically make them unattractive to the girlfriends.

When the girlfriend tries the same strategy with a copy of Playboy, blithely announcing that all the naked babes are lesbians, the boyfriend replies, with a leer, "Ya think so?"

It has ever been thus, students. Straight guys are so heavily invested in lesbian fantasy that when two women kiss on TV, the men are mesmerized, even if those women are Mariel Hemingway and Roseanne, a couple that quite a few lesbians might find less than scintillating. But two men kissing is a shock, a scandal, and a sure sign of the apocalypse. When the two men are not acting, it's even more dangerous. And not necessarily just to straight guys.

Marc Shaiman and Scott Wittman, the composer-lyricist partners in life and art, gave each other a big smacker on the stage of the Tony Awards this year when they received their medal for Hairspray. There was some outrage, which surprised a lot of people who think no one straight even bothers to watch the Tonys. More surprising was that (some of) the outrage came from gay people. And theatre people.

No less a personage than the Tony-winning lyricist of Caberet, Fred Ebb, told an interviewer he thought it was a terrible display and that gay people should stop trumpeting their sexuality publicly. Fred Ebb... who peppered his work with sexual references and four-letter words and actually pioneered such practices on Broadway. Fred Ebb, telling us to keep it anything but real.

Of course, Mr. Ebb, who need apologize for nothing in hi slife or brilliant career... is in his 70s.... He comes from a generation that had to keep everything discreet, the secret society that dared not speak, etc., etc., and so forth. The idea that two younger men could dare to celebrate their lives publicly, as straight couples do in moments of ebullience, is pretty much incomprehensible to a man who came of age in an earlier time. Especially an American man. We have a tough time making ordinary human behavior a part of our national fiber. We live in some dream world where people behave the way made-up history tells us they behave.

In October the British soap opera Coronation Street, which has been the top-rated show in the United Kingdom since Elizabeth too the throne, featured two major gay characters kissing. The ratings were higher than ever, and it's doubtful there will be the sort of backlash feared by the people behind, say, Will & Grace, which is now seen several times a day in reruns across America. After five seasons, poor Will Truman still can't seem to get past a tender hug with any of his boyfriends, even the ones he tells us he sleeps with.

The creative team makes vague references to letting Will get busy "when the time is right." With Will's home network, NBC, losing its two biggest comedies, Friends and Frasier, at the end of this season, Will looks to be the last man standing on top of the network's pile of sitcoms. Think NBC is going to feel this is the right time to storm one of the strongest barricades of the sexual revolution?

OK, it's bigger than the Tony Awards, but it is only make-believe. It's not like a baseball player coming out or a gay politician running for president. It's just a kiss. Of course, there's rarely "just a" anything on national television. If it's worth doing, it's worth promoting like a missle attack. But perhaps this isn't. Perhaps this is a moment that needs to be filmed without an audience and inserted without any advance warning into an ordinary episode of the show.

If it sets off a tsunami, it can always be repeated the next week with maximum coverage. But, maybe it should be treated as what it is -- ordinary human behavior.
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Postby Mother Theresa » 09 Jan 2004, 12:42

OK, QM, we all know that -- that society tends to get titillated by the idea of two females doing it, but repulsed by the idea of two guys doing it. The tough question is why?

Here's my theory. Is it because:
- more people are heterosexual than homosexual,
- men tend to be stronger than women,
- the voices of strong and large groups overpower those of smaller and weaker groups,
- society (mostly the voices of large strong groups) pressures men to be manly heteros and women to be sexy babes,
- therefore, society rejects the idea of two guys doing it, but
- two women doing it is not threatening to mens' manhood so they don't get nervous about it and express revulsion, and
- they may find it sexy fantasizing joining in the action (based on lesbo fantasies perpetuated in jokes, movies, etc) or at least they just get turned on by the excitement knowing it doesnt' threaten their manliness.

That's my theory. What's yours?
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Postby Omniloquacious » 09 Jan 2004, 14:15

MiakaW wrote:Two girls kissing turn lots of men on?? Why is that??!!


If the members of your harem get along well, bathing and grooming each other and generally acting lovey-dovey together, rather than competing fiercely and baring their fangs at each other like cats, then peace and harmony will prevail in the home. That's got to be a good thing, hasn't it?

And if your harem is really big, it'll be burdensome to find the time and energy to keep them all physically and emotionally satisfied, so if they help out by engaging in sexual frolics among themselves, it can only be welcome as lightening your duties and easing your mind.

Add those to the many other good reasons why we men tend to give the thumbs up to such displays.
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Postby Erhu » 09 Jan 2004, 14:27

Mother Theresa wrote:OK, QM, we all know that -- that society tends to get titillated by the idea of two females doing it, but repulsed by the idea of two guys doing it. The tough question is why?

Here's my theory. Is it because:
- more people are heterosexual than homosexual,
- men tend to be stronger than women,
- the voices of strong and large groups overpower those of smaller and weaker groups,
- society (mostly the voices of large strong groups) pressures men to be manly heteros and women to be sexy babes,
- therefore, society rejects the idea of two guys doing it, but
- two women doing it is not threatening to mens' manhood so they don't get nervous about it and express revulsion, and
- they may find it sexy fantasizing joining in the action (based on lesbo fantasies perpetuated in jokes, movies, etc) or at least they just get turned on by the excitement knowing it doesnt' threaten their manliness.

That's my theory. What's yours?


I totally agree with your theory MT. As much as I love my girlfriends, I for one, do not enjoy seeing 2 girls "getting it on".

I especially hate when I'm watching a perfectly good "hetero" porno and all of a sudden it cuts to girl on girl action. :evil: What a turn off!
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Postby QuietMountain » 09 Jan 2004, 14:58

Mother Theresa wrote:OK, QM, we all know that -- that society tends to get titillated by the idea of two females doing it, but repulsed by the idea of two guys doing it. The tough question is why?


My point in posting the article was not to "prove" that men get titilated by two women. As you say, we all know that. However, my point was to show that this current trend of girls/women kissing is not "bisexual chic." Bisexuality is not exclusive to women, as we all know. But, this "phenomenon" is. It is more appropriate that it should be called, "Lesbian Chic" or "Bisexual ChicK."

As for my theory, it follows yours, with a few minor changes. But, nothing significantly different. My question is, why do straight men feel threatened by two guys kissing or, even, something as simple as holding hands? It is not like anyone is forcing the straight guys to participate. As was said in the article, it is just two human beings engaging in behavior that is very human and very normal.

My theory is that the straight guys are afraid of actually finding it sexually exciting. They have it in their minds that, if they get sexually aroused by two men together, it will make them gay. And, most straight men in most western societies are desperately afraid of being labled gay. Because, to them, gay equals "wuss", "fairy", "fag", "wimp", etc... all the things that go against what they were socialized to believe men should be.

However, with two women... well, "I'm a butch, macho, manly, straight guy. I love women. So, if I get sexually aroused. It's not a problem." This is the same reason that most of the guys in straight porn are SOOO damn ugly. Wouldn't want to provide any chance the guy watching the porn would get aroused by the man in the video, would we?!?!

Another question, along this line... why is it so hard for straight guys to admit when another guy is good looking? Do they not know, or have they not been taught, that there is a difference between finding someone physically attractive and finding someone sexually attractive?

As a gay man, I don't find women sexually attracitve. But, I have a best friend back in the US who I think is a gorgeous women. She is physically very attractive. That doesn't make me straight. Women can make this distinction, why can't men? You ask a guy if another guy is attractive and he'll say something like, "How the hell should I know, I'm not gay!!!"

Actually, this is not true here in Taiwan. Many of my former male students were very comfortable stating whether a guy was handsome or not. Even a few complimented me on my beautiful eyes or nice smile. That threw me for a loop the first few times, 'cause I was pretty sure these guys were not gay. I even had one guy, "straight as an arrow," say that American men are sexier than Taiwanese men because they have body hair. :shock:
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