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Re: gay marriage

Postby CraigTPE » 26 Jun 2011, 11:37

Chris wrote:Baby steps. Baby steps. Equality will come; the forces of bigotry just need to be pushed into powerlessness.


You're kidding, right? Baby steps my badush. This is a quantum leap forward. HUGE! No rational person can minimize the significance of this.

New York is no pudunk state. It's the 3rd most populous state in the US. It will have enormous influence on the rest of the country. California (#1) will be next. Texas (#2) is suceeding from the union anyway, so who cares.

huge..... HUGE.....I have to go shopping now...

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Re: gay marriage

Postby Deuce Dropper » 26 Jun 2011, 11:39

CraigTPE wrote:I have to go shopping now...


that's so gay...just kidding, this is a good step forward, won't be long before the US joins the rest of the developed world in the 21st century.
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Re: gay marriage

Postby CraigTPE » 26 Jun 2011, 11:42

Deuce Dropper wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:I have to go shopping now...


that's so gay...just kidding, this is a good step forward, won't be long before the US joins the rest of the developed world in the 21st century.

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Re: gay marriage

Postby Chris » 26 Jun 2011, 15:11

CraigTPE wrote:
Chris wrote:Baby steps. Baby steps. Equality will come; the forces of bigotry just need to be pushed into powerlessness.


You're kidding, right? Baby steps my badush. This is a quantum leap forward. HUGE! No rational person can minimize the significance of this.

New York is no pudunk state. It's the 3rd most populous state in the US. It will have enormous influence on the rest of the country. California (#1) will be next. Texas (#2) is suceeding from the union anyway, so who cares.

huge..... HUGE.....I have to go shopping now...

This in particular is a huge step, but there's a long way to go. There are many hurdles yet to cross. There's DOMA, which needs to be defeated. There's Prop 8 in California, which needs to get thrust into the toilet of history. Then the Supreme Court, which is 5-4 right-wing, may also pose a threat, as might the Teabaggers and Republicans in Congress.

Every time we step in the right direction, it is good. I don't like to hear people complain about incremental victories because they didn't win everything immediately. Something is always better than nothing.
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Re: gay marriage

Postby CraigTPE » 26 Jun 2011, 15:21

Chris wrote:This in particular is a huge step, but there's a long way to go. There are many hurdles yet to cross. There's DOMA, which needs to be defeated. There's Prop 8 in California, which needs to get thrust into the toilet of history. Then the Supreme Court, which is 5-4 right-wing, may also pose a threat, as might the Teabaggers and Republicans in Congress.

DOMA's days are numbered. It has lost in Federal District Court and the administration has already refused to defend it on the appeal on the grounds they believe it to be unconstitutional.

Prop 8 getting tossed is just about as much of a done-deal as if it were already a done-deal. Did you read Judge Walker's ruling? I mean, he annihilated the defendants. They had zero defense. What a joke. The state won't defend it and it looks at least possible, if not likely, that the appeals court is going to say the groups doing the appeal have no standing.

Wasn't the Supreme Court also equally conservative when it overturned Texas' sodomy law, and haven't statements from the majority ruling in that case already been used to win in the DOMA case at the District Court level?

We've got the momentum in court and in public polls. The remaining "hurdles" are mole hills compared to the mountains that have already been knocked down.
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Re: gay marriage

Postby bismarck » 26 Jun 2011, 15:29

Chris wrote:Baby steps. Baby steps. Equality will come; the forces of bigotry just need to be pushed into powerlessness.

Good stuff. It's good they're making progress, but I won't be celebrating equality until the gay dudes and gals have all the rights the rest of us have.
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Re: gay marriage

Postby Chris » 26 Jun 2011, 15:42

CraigTPE wrote:Wasn't the Supreme Court also equally conservative when it overturned Texas' sodomy law

The court was slightly more liberal then, mainly because of Sandra Day O'Connor. Roberts and Alito replaced O'Connor and Rehnquist, making the court more conservative; Sotomayor and Kagan are both on the "left" of the SC, but are more center-leaning than Stevens and Souter were.

Still, Lawrence v. Texas was decided 6-3, and Kennedy sided with the good guys. But sodomy is a different issue from gay marriage. So anything can happen.

What we really need is one of the conservatives to retire, and his (yes, his) replacement chosen by a Dem president. This is why Obama must be re-elected, for this reason alone if not anything else.
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Re: gay marriage

Postby Chris » 14 Feb 2012, 10:12

Washington State joins the ranks of states valuing equal rights for all; not some, but all. And the New Jersey Senate has just passed a gay marriage bill too.

Still, the forces of hatred and ignorance are trying to stop this march toward freedom. NJ gov Chris Christie (Republican, of course :roll: ) has threatened to veto it. Plus, the freedom-haters in Washington want to put it to the ballot in hopes that a tyranny of the majority will quash the rights of the minority.

http://edition.CNN.com/2012/02/13/us/same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
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Re: gay marriage

Postby Tigerman » 15 Feb 2012, 18:17

Chris wrote:Washington State joins the ranks of states valuing equal rights for all; not some, but all. And the New Jersey Senate has just passed a gay marriage bill too.

Still, the forces of hatred and ignorance are trying to stop this march toward freedom. NJ gov Chris Christie (Republican, of course :roll: ) has threatened to veto it. Plus, the freedom-haters in Washington want to put it to the ballot in hopes that a tyranny of the majority will quash the rights of the minority.[/url]


So, why didn't you mention the Democrat blacks who voted against GM in California? Only Republicans can hate? :roll:
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Re: gay marriage

Postby jdsmith » 15 Feb 2012, 18:36

They was tricked into doing it! :roll:

I've seen Chris answer that before. :D
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