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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby TNT » 06 Apr 2012, 13:22

browny wrote:Did I understand my neighbor correctly? She said that Makiyo denied being directly involved in the physical altercation of the taxi driver and that this pissed off the taxi driver's family so they withdraw their settlement acceptance. Is that true?
I can see it as a legal maneuver. Makiyo knows she won't have to spend any time in jail, so her next move would be to try to get her work permit reinstated. Offering up a settlement but not taking any direct responsiblity for what happened would increase her chances (I think) of trying to get a new work permit.


BF changed story saying the taxi driver got physical first
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ ... 2003529649
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 06 Apr 2012, 14:43

At a second hearing on March 15, prosecutors had asked for a suspended sentence of two years for Tomoyori and one year and four months for Makiyo, after the defense compared Tomoyori to the hot-tempered Ming Dynasty general Wu Sanguei (吳三桂) and said Makiyo’s family was in financial difficulties.


What the fuck does that have to do with anything? "The defence asked for a reduced sentence for Mr Smith, who had been arrested for rape, after comparing him to famous 19th century tailor, Piers Wilkington, in that they both had extraordinary large noses." This legal system is a joke.

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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby finley » 06 Apr 2012, 14:50

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? "The defence asked for a reduced sentence for Mr Smith, who had been arrested for rape, after comparing him to famous 19th century tailor, Piers Wilkington, in that they both had extraordinary large noses." This legal system is a joke.

Ah yes. The Chewbacca defence, I believe, m'lud.

Did you come across the "are you or are you not, Mr Tomoyori, a killing machine?" quote from the prosecutor? If that had happened anywhere else in the world (well, with the possible exception of North Korea, I guess), the entire courtroom would have surely been, like:

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Standards of logical discourse are on a whole different plane in Taiwan. I sometimes wonder how foreign lawyers who practice here (there are quite a few) get along in that system.
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby Icon » 06 Apr 2012, 15:15

Guys, remember that the civil service exams here are about 4000 year old literary classics and being able to write in ancient chinese discourse equivalent to writing a memo in Beowulf's original proto English -rather like Canterbury Tales, let's not exaggerate. So, yes, this kind of thing is actually common. It shows off how well educated the person is and hence overwhelms his/her opponets with his/her knowledge. And no, I am not being sarcastic.
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 06 Apr 2012, 15:44

So, bullshit baffles brains, in other words.

It's still completely pointless because knowing all of that history might make you the smartest kid in class, but it's still completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. If I go to a doctor for acid reflux, I don't want him to smugly tell me how the ancient Greeks treated genital warts so I can congratulate him on what a smarty-pants he is. I want my acid reflux dealt with. If I go to an accountant to get my tax done, I don't want him handing me back a 30,000 word Master's thesis on Hammurabi's tax code in ancient Babylon. I just want my bloody tax done so I don't get a fine.

Yet another example of culture = excuse for arsebackwardsness. I know I'm using reductio ad absurdum, but this whole culture is reductio ad absurdum, only they're not taking the piss.

Would the prosecution lawyers be allowed to call this nonsense as completely irrelevant?
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby tommy525 » 27 Apr 2012, 03:19

http://taipeitimes.com/News/front/archi ... 2003531371

Yup, as widely expected. No ACTUAL jail time for the two. But while most foreigners have trouble staying in taiwan legally, these two can not leave for a few years, while under probation.
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby Omniloquacious » 27 Apr 2012, 08:29

I find that outcome almost obscene in its unwarranted, unjust and unjustifiable leniency.

It is inconceivable that either of the attackers would have stayed out of jail if they'd been convicted of such a brutal attack in the UK.
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby *monkey* » 27 Apr 2012, 08:29

Taipei Times wrote:
The court said the evidence could not prove whether Makiyo and Tomoyori intended to cause serious physical harm.



Told you so. Why isn't there a "thumbing nose" icon?
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby zender » 27 Apr 2012, 09:01

So... should we brace ourselves for the rioting in the streets against foreigners? :ponder:

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What if the taxi driver had had a concealed pistol? :eek:

And what if this had happened in Florida?

And instead of this taxi driver + Makiyo + her muscleman it had been Robert DeNiro + Beyonce + Jay Z? :noway:

THAT would be enough to bring Larry King out of retirement!
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Re: Makiyo taxi altercation

Postby 914 » 27 Apr 2012, 10:28

Why would Taiwan want to keep a criminal in Taiwan?

What do they expect him to do here? Get a job? Who will hire him? Btw, is he going to open up a ramen shop? :D
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