Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

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Re: Mainlanders doing what they do best

Postby Zla'od » 27 Apr 2012, 09:52

Let me put it this way: the more contact develops between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait--the more mutual ignorance and misunderstanding fade away, and people get to know each other and share their ideas--the more Taiwan consciousness will spread (even among supposed "mainlanders") as people here realize that they have nothing in common with people there, don't like them, don't trust them, etc.
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby finley » 27 Apr 2012, 10:03

Unfortunately that isn't necessarily true. Research shows that when such interactions are positive, or when they can be arranged so that opposing factions work together to achieve some common good, misunderstandings and stereotypes do indeed fade away. When those interactions are negative and antagonistic, the outcome is increased hostility.
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby dan2006 » 27 Apr 2012, 10:34

While I have noticed that the mainlanders that visit Taiwan tend to be obnoxiously loud and insensitive about anything around them, a previous poster put it rightly when he pointed out the demographic of these mainlanders. Rich with no sense of class.[u]

A lot of these tourists made their money when China was growing many years ago. They were low class before they got the money, and the easy riches didn't magically give them any class either.

That said, this is a specific demographic that we see in Taiwan, and it doesn't make sense to tar them all with the same brush. I know Mainlanders from both sides of the equation, some that are classy and very intelligent and are disgusted by the low class behavior of some of their countrymen, and I also know some rich Mainlanders personally that may be rich but are low class and I am embarrassed to be around them.

I just find it a bit sad about an article like this that makes it seem that everyone from PRC is low class is all.
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby 914 » 27 Apr 2012, 10:40

What should happen is their tour guide and tour leader should make PSA on their tour bus about where they're going, what they can and cannot do there, flash or no flash, where the restrooms are, what time to meet back at the bus, etc.

When my mom was a tour leader back in the 80s, she had to reiterate that you shower inside the bathtubs at the hotels, not outside. And no, bath robes and ashtrays are for you to use inside the hotel room, not to wear it downstairs to breakfast or to be brought home in your luggage. And, the cute little teaspoons on the airplane belong to the airline, not in your purse!
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 27 Apr 2012, 11:06

People have no issue with criticising British, Australian, American tourists when they're acting out, and rightly so. There's no reason people shouldn't do the same with Chinese tourists. Chinese tour groups were different in kind to Taiwanese, Singaporean, Korean, Japanese tour groups I saw in Southeast Asia. People from those other nations managed to act with some decorum wherever they went. At Angkor Wat, there are signs not to stand on the monuments. One woman was standing on one for a photo and I told her not to and pointed to a sign and she completely ignored me. There's one point where you can take a photo and it looks like your nose is touching a Buddha's nose. People were taking photos of their friends kissing there. I started shouting at them in Chinese and they all laughed, thinking it was all a bit of fun. The groups were generally noisy and disrespectful. Let's flip this around. Imagine if anyone did any of that stuff, or wrote on the walls, at Mao's tomb. You'd be lucky not to be lynched, and if you didn't get lynched, you'd certainly be arrested.
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby Baas Babelaas » 27 Apr 2012, 11:15

Like I said, I'm not hating, just pointing out an article/story that is relevant to you guys living over there.

I personally won't travel to Thailand anymore (or at least specific areas) because of the drunken louts (not Chinese) and filthy old sex tourists (not Chinese).

When I'm in South Africa I avoid going to touristy destinations in season because the sheer amount of people ruins the experience.

Maybe I'm just a grumpy man.
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby zender » 27 Apr 2012, 12:04

I agree with the previous posters who say that Chinese are as bad as Americans, Brits and Australians . . . and that Baas is just a grumpy old man. :neutral:
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby Tempo Gain » 27 Apr 2012, 14:23

This is Taiwan. If crowds of drunken lout corpse-pissing Afghani sex tourists appear here, then there'll be a thread on it for sure. Until then, we'll have to go with what we have. :2cents:
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Re: Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taiwan

Postby Nuit » 27 Apr 2012, 15:56

All those up-in-arms should be forced to spend a day hanging out at Water Running Up, Taidong. You won't be allowed to leave and go into Dulan, but we will bring you a noon bian-dang.

The place is an insane overload into the world of the Chinese tour group. Multiplied by 10 or 20, as coaches often seem to arrive en masse.
I found it quite hellish. So I'm sure did the quieter members of the coach parties.
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Re: Mainlanders doing what they do best

Postby Confuzius » 27 Apr 2012, 18:36

divea wrote:
Charlie Phillips wrote:Not to mention bed bugs. Avoid hotels they stay at.

That's what they say about blacks too....and then some. :roll:

Guys you are talking about people. All the crap you spew, you can just take out Chinese, and put in Indian, Blacks or Latinos and someone's said it. You are talking about REAL people, remember when you know better, you do better. Phew!! Continue the hate spreading, those filthy Chinese commies and us great pissing on dead Afghani people - we are so much better. :roll:


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