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China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby Fox » 16 May 2012, 05:46

Former Chinese military official makes it plain that Australia must choose between China or the US. Australia he says is a weak country and must come under the protection of a powerful state. In the future America's star will wane and Australia will need China for protection. While it is nonsensical in my view, it shines a light on China's no bones mafioso style political brinkmanship. Can they apply the same pressure to Australia as they have some of those African states where they also covert resources?

AUSTRALIA cannot juggle its relationships with the United States and China indefinitely and must choose a ''godfather'' to protect it, according to a prominent Chinese defence strategist.
The warning by Song Xiaojun, a former senior officer of the People's Liberation Army, comes after Foreign Minister Bob Carr was told by his Chinese counterpart that Australia's close military alliance with the US was a throwback to the Cold War era.
Senator Carr yesterday met the man expected to become China's next premier, Li Keqiang, in Beijing. Discussions centred on more comfortable matters including furthering trade and investment and the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the two nations.
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But Australia's strategic position in the Asia-Pacific region remains contentious. "Australia has to find a godfather sooner or later," Mr Song told The Age.
"Australia always has to depend on somebody else, whether it is to be the 'son' of the US or 'son' of China," he said. "[It] depends on who is more powerful, and based on the strategic environment."
Mr Song said Australia depended on exporting iron ore to China "to feed itself", but had not done enough to engage. "Frankly, it has not done well politically," he said.
With sensitivity in the Asia-Pacific over Australia allowing the US a permanent troop presence in Darwin, Senator Carr has been keen to emphasise its strong record of military co-operation with China.
Speaking on Monday, he said Australia was one of just two countries with a strategic defence dialogue with China at the chief-of-defence level.
He said Australia was last year the first Western nation to co-operate with China on a joint humanitarian assistance and disaster relief exercise and in 2010 the first to hold a joint live-fire exercise with China's navy.
The HMAS Ballarat will moor in Shanghai tomorrow to mark the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations.
Both Mr Li and Senator Carr were keen to highlight the positives. The senator told Mr Li the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations was "an opportunity to renew and refresh and recommit to the relationship".
Mr Li said: "Forty years ago the two countries decided to establish diplomatic relations. This was a decision made with strategic perspective and laid the foundation for the furtherance of this bilateral relationship."


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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby TheGingerMan » 16 May 2012, 06:10

Sounds eerily like many a comment made by proponents the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere in the during the Second World War.
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China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby headhonchoII » 16 May 2012, 07:07

I don't see how Australia has strategic significance being in the arse end of nowhere as usual. Only it's ore and food supply is significant.
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby cfimages » 16 May 2012, 08:08

headhonchoII wrote:I don't see how Australia has strategic significance being in the arse end of nowhere as usual. Only it's ore and food supply is significant.


Pinegap in Australia plays a fairly important role in the US satellite tracking systems - I think it's the main southern hemisphere site for it. From there they do a lot of their electronic and satellite spying on Asia and the Middle East.
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby TheGingerMan » 16 May 2012, 08:35

Australia has the one of the world's largest exclusive economic zones, and if that's not strategic, I don't know what is.
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 16 May 2012, 10:19

Fox: It is non-sensical for a number of reasons. Firstly, the world is not going to be bipolar in the future. It's not going to be a matter of the U.S. vs China. There are going to be a number of players. Even if the U.S. does decline relatively, it's still going to be a major player for as far as anyone can see right now. What any future U.S. alliance would probably entail would actually be some sort of grand alliance. China's rise is going to continue to put other Asian nations on edge. I don't think it's at all unlikely that there would be some sort of equivalent organisation to NATO involving the U.S., Australia, and several of China's neighbours such as India, the Philippines, and even Vietnam. Even if the U.S. weren't a part of that (and why wouldn't it be?), I could still see Australia having more in common with India and some other Asian nations than with China. India is democratic, and there is a historic link (through Britain/the Commonwealth, and they both play cricket!) between them. Actually, the more China attempts to bully its neighbours (including Australia), the more it's simply going to push them either towards the U.S. or towards each other. That could really backfire on China. Africa may be easy to bully because it's relatively disorganised and despotic. That's just not going to happen in the Asia-Pacific region. Politics here is more advanced.

This leads to the other important point. Of course Australia has always had someone bigger calling the shots, but in both cases (Britain, and now the U.S.), they have been extremely close culturally. They've been extremely close simply because they speak the same language, but also because philosophically, they've come from the same place. That's a huge hurdle to overcome. I just can't see the Australian public accepting a role as a little brother to China in the same way that they did with Britain and do with the U.S.
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby Steviebike » 16 May 2012, 10:42

Ummm, I think Australia is aligned to the UK? No?

Why does it have to pick China or the US!
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 16 May 2012, 10:48

StevieBike: Not really. It doesn't have that much to do with the U.K. in most realms (aside from some sporting competitions) these days. Culturally and militarily, it's much more closely aligned with the U.S. now (and has been for decades).
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby StuartCa » 16 May 2012, 10:48

This sounds like more colonialism from China. Next thing you know they'll be claiming that they discovered it and it should be part of Greater China, as they are with the Philippines now.
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Re: China Wants to Be Australia's Godfather

Postby the bear » 16 May 2012, 11:00

Steviebike wrote:Ummm, I think Australia is aligned to the UK? No?

Why does it have to pick China or the US!



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