Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby hardball » 20 May 2010, 20:37

Battery9 wrote:I will continue to do it. I've seen them giggle at a black sub teacher( a couple of years ago) and gossiping about her being black and now not even changing expressions when our new black teacher came into the class to introduce herself.

If they think McDonalds is heaven, I will tell them it's not healthy. If they laugh at someone with one leg, I will try to find a book about disabled kids. If they want to buy a little dog that can fit into a cup, I will tell them how the dog got that little. This is how I teach.


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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby almas john » 20 May 2010, 20:48

Battery9 wrote:I will continue to do it. I've seen them giggle at a black sub teacher( a couple of years ago) and gossiping about her being black and now not even changing expressions when our new black teacher came into the class to introduce herself.

If they think McDonalds is heaven, I will tell them it's not healthy. If they laugh at someone with one leg, I will try to find a book about disabled kids. If they want to buy a little dog that can fit into a cup, I will tell them how the dog got that little. This is how I teach.

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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby Battery9 » 20 May 2010, 20:53

well it sucks to call for a job interview and people telling you they don't want black people. I even had a Joy school once tell me to straighten my curly hair and dye it blonde.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby almas john » 20 May 2010, 21:18

Battery9 wrote:well it sucks to call for a job interview and people telling you they don't want black people. I even had a Joy school once tell me to straighten my curly hair and dye it blonde.

So the difficulties and frustrations that a teacher faces should be reflected in what the kids are taught? Hmm. Using this logic, that would mean that if I had the misfortune to teach kids, I would be reading them stories about boozing gorillas. "Look kiddies, Gorilla John is big and hairy, looks scary, and he likes his bottle, but he is gentle and kind, isn't he?"
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby Battery9 » 20 May 2010, 21:24

It's not the only thing I teach! All I did was add different people with different skin colour to the flashcards and posters I put up in class. And if I wanna snip off a leg here or there...heaven help my poor students.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby Namahottie » 20 May 2010, 22:26

hardball wrote:
sandman wrote:Well, ah'm DAMN proud to be white! I'm a-thinkin' of setting up a white pride organization, in fact.
But really, this is so outside my sphere of knowledge, not coming from the unholy land of the damned Murkinators. In my world, the neds and the creeps are predominantly white. Maybe in London most of the crime is done by Carribeans, but there 'aint hardly none of them where I was raised, so all the crooks and gangbangers were whitebread.
Typical Murkins. This is how it is in MY tiny little part of the world, so this is how it IS. :roll:

I agree with your conclusion, ie the American idea of exporting its psychosis...there's a book about how it's affecting the Japanese...Sick Like Us.

But, the typical American thing...hmm...I don't know any living culture in the world that enslaved one race and then bred them for farm labor for 400 years. It's ONLY been a hundred years and change that Africans were freed from forced labor. That does something to people on both sides.

I don't know any slaves and I don't know any slave-owners, and I don't think anyone else does either. But there IS a sense of NATIONAL, not personal guilt in the USA.

So, cut us some slack.

BTW, lupillus is dead spot on. :thumbsup:


Add the UK, and a host of African countries. I think it was Henry Louis Gates recently wrote a little op-ed piece for the NYT talking about how in the realm of history we tend to forget the role African leaders played during Slavery. Slavery is heavily idetified with the US or vice versa, but we aren't the only guilty party. And when it comes to racism, :no-no: don't even try to brand us as main manufacturers of it. Quite a few of you are from countries *cough cough -- South Africa, Parts of Europe* where you have your own special sauce.

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How can one ever hope that the world will get past the issue of racial discrimination if one continually draws attention to it? Making it a big issue simply propagates the stereotype of racial differences.

It's a big money maker in the US. It drives politics and determines the social stratum and sets up power.

If all races are created equal, then this should be self-evident. Clearly then, all those who think otherwise are stupid bigots. What's the problem? Are you going to argue with every dog that barks at you?
I think it was all people are created equal, but when the Constitution was written, blacks weren't considered people. We were 3/4 of a man. So therefore we weren't "equals" in the eyes of the law.

Who cares what people of other races think? Why does it matter what other people think in general?
Is this a redundant question or teenage angst? :lol:

If one is secure in one's own personal/racial identity, then one will realize what all this fuss is about - utter, pointless garbage.
I love being black, could go all day singing James Brown "Say it Loud" (/sarcasm) but it's a "fuss" when the powers that be have an issue with "my love" and use it to maintain and gain power.

If not? Well, I guess there's always blaming others for their perception of you instead of wondering why they perceive you that way. Nothing is ever my fault, ya? I'm the victim here.
Before you point out the faults of others try stepping in their shoes. I'm not saying that anyone who says because of my XYZ I'm ABC but rather I'm willing to acknowledge somethings. Besides that who victim vs victor thing is a another power play.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby Namahottie » 20 May 2010, 22:36

Maoman wrote:
Namahottie wrote:
Maoman wrote:
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Maoman wrote:When she's older, and when these differences impose themselves in her life, I'll explain things to her, but there is no pride (or conversely shame) in skin tone.

That's an illusion to think there's no "shame" in skin tone. You have evidence of that all around you in Taiwan-- i.e. women bleaching the heck out of their faces and body.

Right, but we agree that's wrong, don't we? And if it's wrong to be ashamed of skin tone, then it's equally wrong to be proud of it. Pride and shame don't and can't exist without the other. So just as I won't teach her that her skin colour is something to ashamed of, I also won't teach her that it's something to be proud of. There are more substantial things to be proud of and or ashamed of.

No "argument" there. I actually don't see it as a wrong or right thing but rather as a "what is".

I'm confused. :eh: At the top of the third page of this thread, you said, "Yes you could teach a child at 2 to be proud of their skin color." I thought you were putting forth the idea that it's ok to be proud of one's skin tone. Now you say you're not? Do you think parents should teach their kids that skin colour should be a source of pride/shame? Or do you think it's better that parents should teach them that it's irrelevant?


I did say that. You could teach a child at 2 (3,4, 5 or whatever) to be proud of their skin. White supremacy anyone? Light and bright and damn near white" (a prerogative toward light-skin blacks)? I think the way most blacks look at it, IMO, is not to say I'm proud of my skin because it's superior but rather to shore up their child's self-esteem in society where their looks, skin tone and ethnicity isn 't fully valued/accepted/acknowledged. I experienced it a lot, not really from my immediate family but from other family members and influential people. The lesson I took from it is that I'm not "special" because I'm black/brown skinned but rather I have just as much to offer, and I am beautiful even though society at large doesn't include me in that conversation of what's beautiful/valid.

I don't know if parents should teach their kids that skin color should be a source of pride/shame. Should we teach our kids that being XYZ nationality is a source of pride/shame? Should we teach them that knowing XYZ is a source of pride/shame? In our quest to give our kids the best we're going to teach them somethings that aren't constructive because we're human and plus it's exhausting to always take some moral/ethical high ground.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby bababa » 20 May 2010, 22:57

Why any controversy over B9 putting up ethnically and racially diverse pictures in her classroom? Anything that encourages someone to be less racist is good. White = American = native speaker of English is pretty much the standard opinion in Taiwan; subtly teaching that some Americans aren't white, some white people are not Americans, and some white people don't speak English, is a good idea. Any non-white native speaker of English who has tried to get an English-teaching job in Taiwan is certainly going to wish that such education had been included in any potential laoban's past.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby Namahottie » 21 May 2010, 01:46

divea wrote:
Maybe I'm pushing my own agenda..but I don't think it harms the kids.


Yes you are and that's what you think. You cannot accustom children to 'black' people by putting pictures around walls and taking 'race' tests. What next?? Religion bias? Gender bias?? Will you be testing children if they have a prejudice against sick people??? Your role as a teacher is to NOT let the race issue arise and if sth. negative comes up, you should deal with it level headedly, NOT push your own agenda, be it race, sex, sexuality or religion.


Whoa nelly. I think that's a bit harsh. Battery 9 is actually doing what a teacher is suppose to do--expose her students to alternative perspectives. And you can accustom children to black/white/Chinese people by putting pictures around the wall. I believe what she is trying to achieve is exposing them to various people who they would not see on a daily basis. The more they see/interact with these images the more apt they are to be able to quickly integrate themselves in social situations where there is mixed raced company.

I also don't think she is testing them per se, but rather gauging where they are at in their frame of references. We all push our own agenda, everyday. As an English teacher, I had an agenda: to get them to learn English using techniques I thought were proper.
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Re: Kids' test answers on race brings mother to tears

Postby maoman » 21 May 2010, 02:28

Namahottie wrote:I don't know if parents should teach their kids that skin color should be a source of pride/shame. Should we teach our kids that being XYZ nationality is a source of pride/shame? Should we teach them that knowing XYZ is a source of pride/shame?

Nations are founded on values, and judged by their history and actions. Of course you can be proud or ashamed of them. If you're North Korean, be ashamed. Your country sucks. If you're Swiss, you're probably entitled to a little more respect. Same thing goes for knowing "xyz" If you play cello like Yoyo Ma, or if you can think like Stephen Hawking, then heck yes, be proud. If you're an ignorant ne'er-do-well, then be ashamed. These things have substantive value. Skin colour does not.
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