Zain Dean conviction--fatal hit & run case PART II

[Kea]

Hard time in Taiwan is hard time where prisoners don't have air condition, where they pretty much have to pay for everything, and where they'll work for pennies making joss sticks.

Boo hoo. The family of the deceased should be receiving all of our sympathy.

The whole thing seemed fishy to me from the start when he had his car wrecked the next day. I don't know about anyone else, but after a huge bender, the last thing I would think of doing is having my car destroyed the next morning. Laying in bed/on the couch nursing my hangover is a much better idea.

when he sought to have his car scrapped,yes.
This is a sad case, too emotional, an innocent's death and too many unanswered questions.
Let's take the night step by step, pure conjecture:
Maybe he wasn't that drunk the night before, so the next day didn't have much of a hangover, and was planning his escape. Of course, not being very drunk would be consistent with his story-not getting too drunk while with the potential investor, but being over the limit the KTV gave him a driver. However, it is also consistent with him being guilty. Thinking himself not too drunk and capable of driving home (it was a rainy night, and he figured it's not that far, he won't meet a cop), he asked the driver to exit the car at the next red light. Being a little drunk he drove at a higher speed than normal and hit the motorcyclist. Now, as far as hitting the motorcycle-it is my recollection the angle was a glancing blow in a heavy car driven at speed, nonetheless it would have been felt clearly in the car.
So, has anyone seen the video of him leaving the KTV-was he walking relatively normal, or was he unable to walk?

Chris, I agree with you that

A court basing its sentencing decision partially on a lack of remorse from a defendant who has all along maintained his innocence IS an unfair court

although the initial sentence was light, considering the crime he was convicted of.

However, you have not seen all the evidence and are projecting:

as is a court basing its guilty verdict on flimsy evidence. There is too much reasonable doubt in this case.

[funkymonkey]

The fact of the matter is that two courts have found him guilty.

Yes, they did. However, I'm sure some will come here (mostly friends/acquaintances) to say that the courts were unfare, etc.

A court basing its sentencing decision partially on a lack of remorse from a defendant who has all along maintained his innocence IS an unfair court, as is a court basing its guilty verdict on flimsy evidence. There is too much reasonable doubt in this case.

He already stated that he was too drunk to remember what happened. You can try and weave it any way that you want. Guilty verdict. You either can accept it or you can't. Either way, I couldn't care less. IMO, he got what he deserved.

[funkymonkey]

Maybe he wasn't that drunk the night before, so the next day didn't have much of a hangover,..

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

[Kea]

Maybe he wasn't that drunk the night before, so the next day didn't have much of a hangover,..

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

I'm not making excuses for him. You need to read what I wrote more closely bro. It is pure conjecture based upon him not being very drunk, therefore choosing to drive home, therefore knowing he hit the motorcycle.

It's also not what I believe. Without seeing all the evidence (and wanting to see more CCTV recordings all the way to his house) and going through his statement, asking him questions about it, I wouldn't know its veracity-and wouldn't conclude on what really happened.

[Charlie Jack]

. . . pretty sure. . . .

Ah, the "pretty sure" standard of proof.

[Chris]

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

And if there were ever a day that you were being convicted of a crime you didn't commit, and nobody believed you...

Oh, never mind.

[funkymonkey]

Maybe he wasn't that drunk the night before, so the next day didn't have much of a hangover,..

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

I'm not making excuses for him. You need to read what I wrote more closely bro. It is pure conjecture based upon him not being very drunk, therefore choosing to drive home, therefore knowing he hit the motorcycle.

It's also not what I believe. Without seeing all the evidence (and wanting to see more CCTV recordings all the way to his house) and going through his statement, asking him questions about it, I wouldn't know its veracity-and wouldn't conclude on what really happened.

He wasn't "not very drunk". He already clearly stated this fact. Stating otherwise is useless.

[funkymonkey]

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

And if there were ever a day that you were being convicted of a crime you didn't commit, and nobody believed you...

Oh, never mind.

Honestly, I would never put myself in that situation. Would you? Also, there is a HIGH probability that he did commit this crime. He obviously knew that he would be drinking, so he should have left his car at home. It was clear stupidity from start to finish.

[funkymonkey]

. . . pretty sure. . . .

Ah, the "pretty sure" standard of proof.

Do you have a point? Would you like to add anything to the discussion or are you just here to add a smart ass comment?

[Chris]

He PASSED OUT IN HIS CAR! He couldn't remember getting home. Honestly people, stop making excuses for this guy.

And if there were ever a day that you were being convicted of a crime you didn't commit, and nobody believed you...

Oh, never mind.

Honestly, I would never put myself in that situation. Would you?

I wouldn't put myself into a position in which I would commit a serious crime, but sometimes innocent people simply end up in situations in which they look guilty. Part of the random roulette wheel of life.

I'm reminded of a time when I was a kid in school; I was walking along the corridor and a small glass object (a piece of art) fell from a shelf onto the floor and smashed. I hadn't come near it; didn't touch it or influence it in any way. If fell as I was nearing it, and by the time people came out of the next room to investigate the source of the noise, I was next to the shards and it sure looked to them like I was the guilty party. My truthful defense was "It just fell by itself as I was walking along" didn't seem to convince anyone, despite being the absolute honest-to-goodness truth. I was blamed.

There's a lesson in there.