How to spot a psychopath

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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby Fox » 27 May 2011, 12:48

We should allow the calling of 'Psycho' on forumosa based on the criteria to see if we can't weed out a few of these creeps. I've cut and paste the list of traits here.

Item 1 Glibness/superficial charm (sandman)

Item 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth (threadkiller)

Item 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom (tommy)

Item 4 Pathological lying (fox)

Item 5 Cunning/manipulative (fred smith)

Item 6 Lack of remorse or guilt (Robin in the Sun)

Item 7 Shallow affect (tommy)

Item 8 Callous/lack of empathy (sandman)

Item 9 Parasitic lifestyle (jimmy)

Item 10 Poor behavioural controls (sandman)

Item 11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour (tommy)

Item 12 Early behaviour problems (guyintaiwan)

Item 13 Lack of realistic long-term goals (threadkiller)

Item 14 Impulsivity (tommy)

Item 15 Irresponsibility (Robin in the Sun)

Item 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions (Muzha Man)

Item 17 Many short-term marital relationships (Some of those guys in the divorce threads)

Item 18 Juvenile delinquency (tigerman)

Item 19 Revocation of conditional release (tainancowboy)

Item 20 Criminal versatility (HG)
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby bababa » 27 May 2011, 13:02

Could someone give me an ordinary, real-world example of the behaviour of somebody with 'shallow affect'? I don't get what it means.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby sandman » 27 May 2011, 13:03

That's a bullshit list. I'm up for every category except the marital relationships one. ME! Pick ME! MEEEE! Or I'll come round your place with a machete when you're asleep. OK, I have no machete. But I do have a ukulele and I'm not afraid to use it.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby Tempo Gain » 27 May 2011, 13:08

Surely you'd feel remorse if you smashed up your ukulele.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby Fox » 27 May 2011, 13:08

bababa wrote:Could someone give me an ordinary, real-world example of the behaviour of somebody with 'shallow affect'? I don't get what it means.


Yes.

Example:
sandman wrote:That's a bullshit list. I'm up for every category except the marital relationships one. ME! Pick ME! MEEEE! Or I'll come round your place with a machete when you're asleep. OK, I have no machete. But I do have a ukulele and I'm not afraid to use it.


Definition:
Shallow affect: Emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby bababa » 27 May 2011, 13:26

Thanks.

I wonder how psychologists actually use this list as a diagnostic tool. Some of the things mentioned are objective: revocation of parole, criminal behavior (if caught), many short-term marriages - but a lot of them would depend on the reporting of the subject, who by definition is charming and a glib, manipulative liar. If you like someone, he's fine; if you don't like someone, you see all these signs of psychopathology in him.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby finley » 27 May 2011, 14:07

bababa wrote:Could someone give me an ordinary, real-world example of the behaviour of somebody with 'shallow affect'? I don't get what it means.


'affect' means emotional response. 'shallow affect' or 'flattened affect' just means an emotional response more limited than you would expect (either positive or negative). It sometimes occurs in child-abuse victims who have 'switched off' as a defense against abuse. Star Trek's Mr Spock is a caricature of shallow affect. It doesn't mean the same thing as the colloquial 'shallow'.


I wonder how psychologists actually use this list as a diagnostic tool. Some of the things mentioned are objective: revocation of parole, criminal behavior (if caught), many short-term marriages - but a lot of them would depend on the reporting of the subject, who by definition is charming and a glib, manipulative liar. If you like someone, he's fine; if you don't like someone, you see all these signs of psychopathology in him.


They don't. The actual diagnostic tool is a questionnaire with a manual detailing its correct use; the tool purports to measure those things in the list. But you won't ever see it published. The official reason is that it's a medical diagnostic tool and that it could be dangerous in the wrong hands; qualified personnel only. The actual reason is that it allows psychologists to experience a "grandiose sense of self-worth" ;) Also ... it costs a lot of money to buy the test kit.
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby divea » 27 May 2011, 20:42

sandman wrote:That's a bullshit list.


I think this needs correction!
Item 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth (threadkiller) Maoman
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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby Huang Guang Chen » 27 May 2011, 22:00

It's very important to bear in mind that there's a scale at work here. Psychologists plot personalities on this sort of scale. The most cringeworthy of their determinants is "border-line personality disorder." That's mental health "professional" speak for a right arsehole.

We're all guilty at some plot on a bar graph of the following. The key point is at what end of the scale.

For good old fashioned Hollyweird psychopath (AKA sociopath) you just can't beat "Lottie, the curse of Millhaven." Perfect crux nabbed by Nick. Remorse. The essential component of a psychopath is the lack of remorse. They can't empathise with other people, so they can't possibly feel their pain, even when they caused it.

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Re: How to spot a psychopath

Postby Tempo Gain » 13 May 2012, 22:34

Another interesting and related NYT article
Can you call a 9-year-old a psychopath?
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