What makes a good ESL teacher?

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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby Dougster » 11 May 2012, 23:35

tomthorne wrote:
jimipresley wrote:
NonTocareLeTete wrote:Uh oh, feeling a bit thick here. Why are whiteboards so surprising?

Sorry. Maybe I've just been spoiled where I teach adults.

SCREEN - PROJECTOR - POWERPOINT


Powerpoint :roflmao: ! You are so last century!

IWBs, mate.


I dunno. I used IWBs when teaching at the BC. Didn't like writing on the board with the pen. I always teach with powerpoint, and I can just pull up the screen and write on the board with a marker which is handy. Each to their own I guess. And there's always "prezi" which I've heard good things about.
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby tomthorne » 12 May 2012, 00:33

Dougster wrote:
tomthorne wrote:
jimipresley wrote:
NonTocareLeTete wrote:Uh oh, feeling a bit thick here. Why are whiteboards so surprising?

Sorry. Maybe I've just been spoiled where I teach adults.

SCREEN - PROJECTOR - POWERPOINT


Powerpoint :roflmao: ! You are so last century!

IWBs, mate.


I dunno. I used IWBs when teaching at the BC. Didn't like writing on the board with the pen. I always teach with powerpoint, and I can just pull up the screen and write on the board with a marker which is handy. Each to their own I guess. And there's always "prezi" which I've heard good things about.


You know I was only pissing around :) . My best classes are limited to a chalkboard combined with my boyish good looks and charm.
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby jimipresley » 12 May 2012, 00:44

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You know I was only pissing around :) . My best classes are limited to a chalkboard combined with my boyish good looks and charm.

jesus. Is your work for NonTocareLeTete limiting your career advancement opportunities? Move out of the provinces, mate. :D
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby tomthorne » 12 May 2012, 00:48

jimipresley wrote:
tomthorne wrote: Move out of the provinces, mate. :D


To Tapei? No fear. I still can't remember how to put a mildly amusing youtube video on here, though. What's necessary to make that happen?
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby TheGingerMan » 12 May 2012, 20:53

Nothing like the blackboard nails or the whiteboard squeaky marker as a weapon of last resort.
Can't do that with your fancy tech gadgets, now can you?
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby Ducked » 14 May 2012, 00:30

Read quite a good article arguing that the Challenger Columbia disaster was caused by Powerpoint. Can't remember where though.

EDIT: http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB

Basically, IIRC, he argues its a tool for bullshitting (as for sales pitches), an unsuitable medium for communicating technical analysis, and a difficult one over which to exercise critical thinking.

I've wondered if Microsoft are mediating a convergence of the Eastern and Western intellectual traditions, to the detriment of the latter.

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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby tomthorne » 14 May 2012, 07:45

Ducked wrote: its a tool for bullshitting (as for sales pitches)


Sounds ideal for EFL.
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby Ducked » 14 May 2012, 08:31

tomthorne wrote:
Ducked wrote: its a tool for bullshitting (as for sales pitches)


Sounds ideal for EFL.


True but sad.
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Re: What makes a good ESL teacher?

Postby Ducked » 14 May 2012, 09:01

NonTocareLeTete wrote:
TaiwanVisitor12321 wrote:Everyone that's said anything about teaching adults in here must work in a different place than I do.
They're all dead inside. I've never seen people so soulless as in Taiwan. I really do like teaching, and I do try to improve myself, but these people just have zero passion for English. They can't even say hello, or are so rude that they refuse to. They literally give me money to argue with me about not wanting to learn English.


I'm sympathetic to your situation, so I hate saying this, but your attitude has to change before they'll change anything. They can feel your disdain, and why should they talk to anyone that hates them? .....etc.........see above..............Anyways, in 3 years, I've only had one resistant student who remained resistant. I've got high attendance in my classes and my school is always after me to take on more hours. And I love my students. They add a lot to my life.
Make it easy on them, try to like them, and be patient with yourself.


I'm sure this is true, BUT......sometimes you get a real "FUCK YOU" class, which just will not cooperate, and takes a positive satisfaction in making you look, and feel, bad.

I had one last year, where blade running between "too difficult, they would have to think" and "insultingly easy, they'll anwer wrongly deliberately and laugh in my face" (and they did) was a hiding to nothing.

Of course it wasn't the whole class, but if the SHLF's ("shelfs" or Spiky Haired Little Fuckers) achieve a critical mass, they dominate the "class culture" and suppress the best intentions of the "good" students.

In such a case, I think blaming the little bastards is your best option, otherwise it gets to you, as does investing too much of your soul in fixing the situation. I sighed theatrically a lot (camping it up a bit), and went through the motions conscientiously but without much spark.

As the Final Exam approached, the situation improved, weapon-of-last-resort-stylee, perhaps because I have a reputation for failing people, and that's a drag for students because they have to do it again.

These were first year private university, so "young adult" students. I've never had a "real adult" evening class remotely as bad as this, but if (perhaps like the op) I had, it'd be awkward, since the weapon-of-last-resort isn't really available.
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