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Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby jason88888 » 27 Jun 2012, 00:59

I am 24 from Canada with an undergrad degree in finance along with certain licenses to work in investments. My reason for wanting to go to Taiwan is that I was learning Mandarin and figured it would allow me to improve that much more. My career goals meant I needed to move to the east coast of North America so I figured I would experience living abroad for a year or two before coming back. Working as an english teacher my salary should cover all my expenses and since I have plenty of money saved in Canada I will most likely spend everything that I earn seeing the country if I can. lastly, I can continue in the CFA program while over there and finish my exams so that way my career isnt completely on hold. I don't plan on using any savings while over there and will most likely use it for a MBA or buying a house or business when I return so teaching seemed good. If I am completely miserable teaching though I will happily just quit and vacation in the country. Also school would help me meet some people and also help with finding an apartment and papers to stay in the country.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 27 Jun 2012, 07:12

kaikai34 wrote:I enjoy teaching, but have you seen what kind of kids Americans are popping out nowadays? It's been a downward spiral for the past 20 years.


I couldn't get more than 30 seconds into that video. I wanted to kill those fucking kids. THAT kind of behaviour is precisely why I left teaching in Australia.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Isha » 27 Jun 2012, 10:39

jason88888 wrote: I don't plan on using any savings while over there and will most likely use it for a MBA or buying a house or business when I return so teaching seemed good.


Looks like you have everything in place but I doubt you can buy a house back home with what you could save as a teacher in Taiwan in a year. Correct me if I am wrong :)
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Charlie Jack » 27 Jun 2012, 16:34

Isha wrote:
jason88888 wrote: I don't plan on using any savings while over there and will most likely use it for a MBA or buying a house or business when I return so teaching seemed good.


Looks like you have everything in place but I doubt you can buy a house back home with what you could save as a teacher in Taiwan in a year. Correct me if I am wrong :)


It's rubber balls he's walking around with, not crab apples, and they're in his hands, not his cheeks:

jason88888 wrote:. . . I have plenty of money saved in Canada. . . .


In answer to your question, I came to Taiwan because the plane wasn't out of fuel, and I'm a teacher (or whatever you want to call it) because they haven't stopped me from being a teacher yet.
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Re: Have to ask!

Postby superking » 27 Jun 2012, 17:04

sandman wrote:And why are you here in Taiwan making monkey wages (less than NT$200k per month is monkey wages in my book.


I'd have to say your book is quite rare and probably needs a good update. 200K is £51,000 p.a. Or $80,000 US.

I'll go out on a limb here and say maybe out of the 6.8 billion people on this planet less than 1% of them earn over 50 large per year. Maybe as many as half will never earn that much money in their lifetime.

Something about your book isn't quite square old chap. :D
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Kobayashi » 27 Jun 2012, 20:55

superking wrote:
sandman wrote:And why are you here in Taiwan making monkey wages (less than NT$200k per month is monkey wages in my book.


I'd have to say your book is quite rare and probably needs a good update. 200K is £51,000 p.a. Or $80,000 US.

I'll go out on a limb here and say maybe out of the 6.8 billion people on this planet less than 1% of them earn over 50 large per year. Maybe as many as half will never earn that much money in their lifetime.

Something about your book isn't quite square old chap. :D


Are you comparing the earnings of someone in the west to the billions of people in Africa/Asia/ etc. earning $1/ day? What's the point of that?

By your logic every person in a western country is exceeding wealthy because minimum wage pays $10/hour and this is more money that those same billions of people make in a week.

I didn't realize the bar to consider myself a financial success was set so low. Thanks for setting me straight old chap.

Getting back on topic. Although I never taught English my one buddy who is here doing it is basically a hypocodriac musician. It's hard to imagine that he'd be able to hold down a job in the west given all the sick days he'd need. He has a criminal record as well so that's was a problem for him finding jobs back home. Fun guy to hang out with though.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby tomthorne » 27 Jun 2012, 21:20

Kobayashi wrote:
superking wrote:
sandman wrote:And why are you here in Taiwan making monkey wages (less than NT$200k per month is monkey wages in my book.


I'd have to say your book is quite rare and probably needs a good update. 200K is £51,000 p.a. Or $80,000 US.

I'll go out on a limb here and say maybe out of the 6.8 billion people on this planet less than 1% of them earn over 50 large per year. Maybe as many as half will never earn that much money in their lifetime.

Something about your book isn't quite square old chap. :D


Are you comparing the earnings of someone in the west to the billions of people in Africa/Asia/ etc. earning $1/ day? What's the point of that?



No, he isn't (if I may be so bold :) ). He's saying that 200kNTD a month is a very high income from the point of view of most teachers. I'm at the upper end of the income scale in this funny little job some of us choose to do, and I'm a fairish way off 200k a month take home.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 28 Jun 2012, 08:23

I suspect that there are only two types of foreigners earning 200K. One category is business owners (and of particular businesses at that) and the other is people on an expat package working for international companies. I highly doubt any foreigners employed by Taiwanese are on anything like that. It's extreme hyperbole or outright trolling to suggest that 200K is any kind of benchmark.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Omniloquacious » 28 Jun 2012, 10:47

GuyInTaiwan wrote:I suspect that there are only two types of foreigners earning 200K. One category is business owners (and of particular businesses at that) and the other is people on an expat package working for international companies. I highly doubt any foreigners employed by Taiwanese are on anything like that. It's extreme hyperbole or outright trolling to suggest that 200K is any kind of benchmark.


I think you're right on the whole.

But people with certain kinds of expertise can command fees that take their income to that level or thereabouts. For example, a good freelance translator or interpreter who is well established and has the right connections here can make that kind of money quite easily if he's willing to work hard enough.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby steelersman » 28 Jun 2012, 10:55

Omniloquacious wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:I suspect that there are only two types of foreigners earning 200K. One category is business owners (and of particular businesses at that) and the other is people on an expat package working for international companies. I highly doubt any foreigners employed by Taiwanese are on anything like that. It's extreme hyperbole or outright trolling to suggest that 200K is any kind of benchmark.


I think you're right on the whole.

But people with certain kinds of expertise can command fees that take their income to that level or thereabouts. For example, a good freelance translator or interpreter who is well established and has the right connections here can make that kind of money quite easily if he's willing to work hard enough.


I am sure that a few people do it. However what is the point of coming to Taiwan to work that hard? Why not just stay in your home country and work hard?
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