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Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Omniloquacious » 28 Jun 2012, 12:10

steelersman wrote:However what is the point of coming to Taiwan to work that hard? Why not just stay in your home country and work hard?


Some people like living in Taiwan.

Ironlady's a pretty good example. If she could have got PR with an open work permit here, she might well have opted to stay rather than moving back to the US. And with her skill set, I'm sure she could easily rake in 200k a month from interpreting, translating and various other kinds of work.

One quite lucrative source of income for people like her is working as a conference aide. I've done that a few times in the past, attending international conferences, keeping a record of discussions, and churning out short speeches, summaries, proposals and so forth for the minister or whoever's in the chair to deliver at various stages of the proceedings. I've never been paid less than 25k a day for that, even when the meetings only lasted half a day. The first time I ever did one, well over 15 years ago, I was paid 80k (cash in hand) for just 2.5 days work. If you're working as a translator or interpreter, and are otherwise sufficiently qualified, opportunities for stuff like that are often going to be tossed your way.

However, as I've said before, I'm well and truly in the camp of those who value time far above income. You do have to work hard to earn 200k a month, and I'm not interested in working that hard, so I very seldom earn anywhere near that much, especially now that I have a small kid to whom I want to devote as much of my time as possible. These days, I'm well content to earn 100k a month while keeping a high proportion of my time free from work. Hello carpe diem, goodbye carpe argentum. I'd rather be living for the day than living for the pay, and am pretty sure as to which is the more enriching.
If I prioritized the acquisition of wealth above other purposes in life, I might still have come to Taiwan to study Chinese, but I doubt I would have remained here.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Enigma » 28 Jun 2012, 18:17

We move here to drink, fornicate, tour and have other forms of fun. Why in the hell would anybody come to Taiwan to teach but for those reasons. America is crying for teachers.
EDIT: Apologies. I am being too flipant. Teaching here in the right school is a damned rewarding experience. You will leave, probably sooner than you now contemplate, with a better multi-cultural understanding and be a better teacher when you arrive home.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby tomthorne » 28 Jun 2012, 20:05

Enigma wrote:We move here to drink, fornicate, tour and have other forms of fun. Why in the hell would anybody come to Taiwan to teach but for those reasons. America is crying for teachers.
EDIT: Apologies. I am being too flipant. Teaching here in the right school is a damned rewarding experience. You will leave, probably sooner than you now contemplate, with a better multi-cultural understanding and be a better teacher when you arrive home.
Sorry. I'm just being pissy today.


I think you were right first time. If the learning environment is good then it's a bonus.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby TheGingerMan » 28 Jun 2012, 21:17

steelersman wrote: However what is the point of coming to Taiwan to work that hard? Why not just stay in your home country and work hard?

Why not just work hard anywhere one hangs one's hat?
It's a bit of an ethic, I must admit.
And most certainly some places pay off better than others. Some places are populated by a mass of middlemanish outright greedy hacking gougers, with very poor situational ethics.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Puppet » 29 Jun 2012, 21:18

Isha wrote:Hi,

I am curious, why do, after having professional education from excellent Universities, people come to Taiwan for being teachers? What it is that attracts so much about this place that these young grads leave their whole expertise/education behind to teach here?

I would like to clear that I am not trying to offend the teachers or telling that the profession is bad. I am just curious about the career choice they make, which I find (v.) odd.

Thanks.


A passion of mine is teaching and child development. So here I am doing that.

I do children's shows regularly. I perform adult comedy shows as well.

I get to teach kids how to write their own stories and discover their creative side. There is something magical that happens once students open up and begin to see that they have something to offer of themselves.

I also look at what IS going on in America. I can't afford to pay 1/5 of my salary to insurance I'll rarely use. Right now, I am sitting down to eat. I already bought 2 beers. I bought a fried rice. I bought some Kung Pao Chicken. I probably spent more tonight on my meal already than I did on my health insurance. (Friday's my night to pig out).

This month, I realized I paid my taxes late. My penalty? $12 NT. The government can't even buy a Coca-Cola on the penalty I had to pay.

I don't get sick often. But I had to hit the ER once when I woke up and my eye felt horrible. Pink eye. Medicine + ER visit = $700. Beat a $21 US co-pay back home.

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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby bigduke6 » 29 Jun 2012, 21:29

It is often a lifestyle choice and not a career choice.
I made a lifestyle choice. I had a high paying job, flying around the world with all the trimmings.
Probably would have had a heart attack at 50, no family, no free time etc.

I know many posters have made a similar choice.

The misconception is that people come here who are minimum wage losers back home. Taiwan being a sort of social security for dumb whitey.

I have yet to actual meet one of these.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby steelersman » 29 Jun 2012, 21:53

bigduke6 wrote:It is often a lifestyle choice and not a career choice.
I made a lifestyle choice. I had a high paying job, flying around the world with all the trimmings.
Probably would have had a heart attack at 50, no family, no free time etc.

I know many posters have made a similar choice.

The misconception is that people come here who are minimum wage losers back home. Taiwan being a sort of social security for dumb whitey.

I have yet to actual meet one of these.


Bigduke6, I wonder if those types of minimum wage losers could even survive living in Taiwan?
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby tomthorne » 29 Jun 2012, 23:42

bigduke6 wrote:
The misconception is that people come here who are minimum wage losers back home. Taiwan being a sort of social security for dumb whitey.

I have yet to actual meet one of these.


Come on, there are a fair few. They don't tend to last very long, though. The ones who make it over here usually have something about them.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby Chris » 29 Jun 2012, 23:46

Taiwan offers a very good balance between income vs. living expenses.

Thailand is cheap, but wages are crap.
Japan offers high wages, but it's a stupidly expensive place to live.
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Re: Have to ask: why do people come to Taiwan to be teachers?

Postby headhonchoII » 30 Jun 2012, 00:14

Not only that, places like Japan are stricter regarding foreign residents and difficult to rent houses etc. Everything costs more too as mentioned already.
In Taiwan you can still get away with a hell of a lot of 'complacency to the rules' and the government, although we all like to moan, have made it a lot easier to live here over the last few years, as long as you can get an ARC and it's not that hard to get one. Health insurance, safety and general welcoming to foreigners is pretty damn good once you can get past the culture shock and crowding in places.
Although I just got back from a week in China and Taiwan doesn't know the meaning of chaos and crowding compared to the train stations over there, as an example.
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