Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby steelersman » 28 Jun 2012, 15:36

Poor Knight wrote:Wow thanks for all the veteran of foreigner ESL wars wisdom. I was a bit put off by the swapping of time off given at a later date as opposed to Taiwan Dollar remuneration for the overtime. My recruiter emailed me back and said it was the standard contract but he would try and find out how much overtime was usually done at the school. He did not respond to my request for money as opposed to made-up off time to compensate overtime. So, I assume he rather not change the pay.

Working in UAE again with insane taxi drivers and silent caped women is starting to look more attractive. But, I sympathize with the school. It would be much easier if they did not have to kindly request me to attend a special Saturday function relying on my dutifulness, and instead just inform me I was to report to the school at 9AM Saturday morning and my weekend plans can go with the Devil.


I haven't lived there personally, but I believe there are a lot of expat women in the UAE. So don't let women be a deciding factor in your decision.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby Poor Knight » 05 Jul 2012, 10:01

The recruiter would not change the contract. 8-5pm workday 25 a week/ 5 calasses a day and weekends and evenings with no overtime money and 30-40 students = grind... I would almost prefer a language academy... or another paperwork battle in a regular Western school...I clearly, repeatedly, and politely asked the inflexible recruiter to make very specific changes but he would not! herein we have thee entirety of thee tragon ode bleed the drama out to thee jobless unrecruited loveless climax .(need to start at the bottom of the page and read up)....
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I need to get back to the school and let them know what you say, give me a YES or NO, if YES, they hire you, if NO they move on to


Ok ____________, then the answer at present with 68,000, no bonus at the end of the contract, no vacation except for 10 days, and no overtime pay, and a 8-5pm work day is

no.



But, as I said, I would reconsider the job IF THE CONTRACT WAS CHANGED- to include more pay, and a clear amount of vacation. As I said, at present with the contract as it is it is potentially a job with almost no vacation and unpaid overtime... so yes the answer then for the job as is, with the existing contract; no.

Sorry, but I thought I made it clear weeks ago I wanted you to explain the overtime hours. But, I guess you were busy with your job so you missed that. I apologize if I have wasted your time. I was rather interested in it - but once I saw the contract and realized there was no bonus in the end of the year, apparently no vacation in the summer, and no overtime pay the job looked very poor indeed.

Cheers,

__________________

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Hello _______________

this school have more then 5~6 teachers, and not any of them are new fresh out from college, they all have many years experience, and they all decided to took this job, some of them stay for few years already... so I think, afterall, this is not a shitty job I think...

we (me and the school) won't force you to take this job, we won't and we can't.

however, we can not hold the job and wait for you till one day you can tell for sure, that's not the way we do things.

I need to get back to the school and let them know what you say, give me a YES or NO, if YES, they hire you, if NO they move on to others, simple as that.
so let me know, thanks.
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HI ______________________

I spoke with _______. He said overall it was fine but he never got overtime for anything. He also said he had to grade, test, and evaluate classes on his own. Apparently he had to work all summer as well - he did mention he had a winter break. However, he also answered that he was in the school 8-5 in the winter when there were no students and no classes.

So, overall it is not a very appealing job with the present pay of 68,000, a 13 hour work day, a minimal vacation, and no overtime pay.

I would consider it if it paid 75,000 - 80,000. But the job only pays 68,000 and has no year end bonus, no new years bonus, and requires overtime with no extra pay.

So I would need some changes to the contract before taking the job.
I may still take it if I can not find any other job, but right now feel free to try to get someone else for it.

Of course like I said- if I can absolutely find nothing by August I still might take it anyway - even though the pay is so low and the job requires a heavy work week with virtually no vacation.

Cheers,

_________________________


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Hello ________ :

did you get my reply?

and did _________ get back to you already? I think he didn't check his email in all time, but if he still no reply, I can give you another teacher's email.

Look forward to hearing from you.

______________________


----- Original Message -----

Hello ______,

I wrote to _________ two days ago.

He did not answer.

Maybe it did not go through?

Ask him to email me.

Thanks,
_______________

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hello : you can contact with this teacher and ask him about the real at the school situation :
____________________________________

Hi ____________________

I do not want to come off as negative, lazy, or greedy. Sorry if I sounded harsh.

However, the standard contract you emailed me means:

I would be compelled to work any given weekend.

It says NOTHING about any summer vacation- it just states I have ten during the New Year. So, once again according to the contract I could be working everyday of the summer with the exception of national holiday(s).

Also, it does not state how many publications I will be proofreading. It just states I will assist with them at no extra pay.

I would be be compelled to stay late into the night past 5PM and attend school meetings.

And, I would NOT be paid overtime for these. Rather I, MYSELF, would have to ask permission for time off some other day WHEN the boss thought it was fine with him.

The contract does NOT state how many times this will occur.

In summary the contract is unclear on how many times I will be completing the above duties. It simply states I WILL do them.

Also, the pay is a bit low. I would be happier if it was 5,000 - 10,000 more or had a bonus amount paid on the Chinese New Year.

Maybe I am just too big for my own birches. It could be a great school, and I might regret it if I do not take it and get some lesser job instead. However, the total possible hours and work load is quite heavy and might not be remunerated in overtime pay. I would be pleased to talk with a Western Teacher English there about it.
It would be great if the contract were more exact and stated I was paid for overtime in money - not make up off times.

Cheers,

_____________________

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Hello _____________


this means we will send you a salary details before paid day. and need you to reply and confirm if that was all correct. thatis all.
The Teacher shall confirm their monthly payment on the day before the
Payment Date and the monthly salary shall be remitted to The Teacher’s
bank account in Taiwan on the Payment Date.


the contract is a stander contract, has all the details on it, however, the school was close during weekend, so I don't think the actual situation will be as bad as it looks, I can confirm with the school before you start teaching, we can find out how many work for those you need to take care during your year contract.
Party B is required to use extracurricular time to design lesson plans for culture and
holiday teaching activities. And make protfoilos for Party A for important teaching
activities.
For culture and holiday lesson plans, Party B shall have thorough discussions with
English teachers of Party A before the carrying out the lesson plan.
Party B agrees to edit and proofreading the English version of Party A’s publications.
Write/proofread publications for the school.
Write Holiday lesson plans?
Go to weekday evenings for meetings.

I think I will let you talk to one of my teacher, the school is not that bad, the contract just show all the details. let me check with my teacher first.

thanks


Look forward to hearing from you.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby timmyjames » 05 Jul 2012, 10:18

Is he saying this one public school has 5+ foreign teachers and wants to hire another? That seems a bit odd...
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby steelersman » 05 Jul 2012, 10:29

PoorKnight,

Most likely you can get a better job somewhere else. However at 68,000NT you are probably being overpaid for what you would actually be required to do in a public school in Taiwan.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby timmyjames » 05 Jul 2012, 10:48

steelersman wrote:PoorKnight,

Most likely you can get a better job somewhere else. However at 68,000NT you are probably being overpaid for what you would actually be required to do in a public school in Taiwan.



the admin can make or break the job...if they are OK, he will have an easy breezy time...if they start dumping lots of extras on him, it will be a long year...but, something still seems fishy...it really doesn't sound like a public school, it sounds like a private school
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 05 Jul 2012, 11:28

The big red flags for me are all the things they're skimming off the top such as a bonus, airfare, and paid sick leave.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby infrared_dwarf » 21 Feb 2013, 14:16

timmyjames wrote:
steelersman wrote:PoorKnight,

Most likely you can get a better job somewhere else. However at 68,000NT you are probably being overpaid for what you would actually be required to do in a public school in Taiwan.



the admin can make or break the job...if they are OK, he will have an easy breezy time...if they start dumping lots of extras on him, it will be a long year...but, something still seems fishy...it really doesn't sound like a public school, it sounds like a private school


I have to agree with this. Everything from the hours to the extra work hours sound private. Public schools in my experience top off at 24 hours per week from 8-4 with at least one half day in there.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby headhonchoII » 22 Feb 2013, 09:29

Why would a certified western teacher even bother with this kind of crap?
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby Hamletintaiwan » 22 Feb 2013, 12:56

headhonchoII wrote:Why would a certified western teacher even bother with this kind of crap?


Because their diplomas and teaching certificates were washed in Thailand.
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Re: Read The text of my Pub School Contract It's Evil!

Postby Quarters » 22 Feb 2013, 19:22

Hamletintaiwan wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:Why would a certified western teacher even bother with this kind of crap?


Because their diplomas and teaching certificates were washed in Thailand.


I have to agree with this one a bit...
Look at the OP's English in all his posts...and he claims to be a certified teacher from a western country. I can understand a few typos here and there on an online forum, but the OP's English appears to be very questionable.
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