Survey Says: Foreign Brides Should Be Restricted

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Survey Says: Foreign Brides Should Be Restricted

Postby jlick » 05 Nov 2003, 14:08

Both China Post and Taipei Times report the results of a new survey by Shih Hsin University. I'm sure that the results weren't at all influenced by the barrage of press coverage on the problems of foreign brides the last couple of months. Nearly 59.3% wanted restrictions on the numbers of foreign brides allowed. 20% had "unfriendly" attitudes towards spouses from abroad. But it wasn't all bad news this time:

From Hsia Hsiao-Chuan, Shih Hsin University sociologist:
"For Taiwanese to consider foreign spouses to be 'of inferior quality' is discriminatory. It also reflects domestic anxiety about the economic downturn and the growing gap between rich and poor, as well as the need to find a scapegoat"


James Hsueh, professor of sociology, NTU:
"There are 15 percent more men than women in Taiwan, so if everyone wanted to get married, out of 100 men there would be 15 who wouldn't be able to find a wife."


Looks like favoring male births has come back to bite.

In other news, Taipei Times reports that a draft law would expand rights, even for foreigners. Among the goodies for foreigners, it would make it easier for professionals to work in Taiwan, and give permanent residency to those making a certain amount of investment (amount not specified). Foreigners would also have the right to due process before being deported and be allowed to claim political asylum. However, this is part of the larger draft bill allowing referendums and gay marriage rights, so it's a long shot getting this passed anytime soon.

Back on the editorial page, the Taipei Times has not one but two editorials on the dangers of foreign brides. One starts out talking about sham marriages but gives the impression that all such marriages are bad news. The other focuses on the dangers posed by mainland spounses.
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Re: Survey Says: Foreign Brides Should Be Restricted

Postby TNT » 05 Nov 2003, 16:29

jlick wrote:Both China Post and Taipei Times report the results of a new survey by Shih Hsin University. I'm sure that the results weren't at all influenced by the barrage of press coverage on the problems of foreign brides the last couple of months. Nearly 59.3% wanted restrictions on the numbers of foreign brides allowed. 20% had "unfriendly" attitudes towards spouses from abroad. But it wasn't all bad news this time:

From Hsia Hsiao-Chuan, Shih Hsin University sociologist:
"For Taiwanese to consider foreign spouses to be 'of inferior quality' is discriminatory. It also reflects domestic anxiety about the economic downturn and the growing gap between rich and poor, as well as the need to find a scapegoat"


James Hsueh, professor of sociology, NTU:
"There are 15 percent more men than women in Taiwan, so if everyone wanted to get married, out of 100 men there would be 15 who wouldn't be able to find a wife."


Looks like favoring male births has come back to bite.



How exactly do you favor a birth apart from aborting a girl when woman gets pregnant until such time a boy is concieved?
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Re: Survey Says: Foreign Brides Should Be Restricted

Postby jlick » 05 Nov 2003, 17:41

TNT wrote:How exactly do you favor a birth apart from aborting a girl when woman gets pregnant until such time a boy is concieved?


Well that's one way. All you need is ultrasound technology for that. There's also abandonment of female babies after birth, not giving medical care to girls or other neglect, and the modern solution of selective sex screening when doing in-vitro fertilization. I've only read about this being done in India and PRC, so I'm not sure what the favored methods are here. They are also having the problem where there's not enough wives to go around.
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Postby X3M » 05 Nov 2003, 18:47

I don't know, but isn't the gender balance more off in China than in Taiwan?
-If so, the importing of Chinese women will worsen the situation for the poor Chinese men. Where are they going to get their wives from?
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Postby jlick » 05 Nov 2003, 20:34

X3M wrote:I don't know, but isn't the gender balance more off in China than in Taiwan?
-If so, the importing of Chinese women will worsen the situation for the poor Chinese men. Where are they going to get their wives from?


I read somewhere once that historically war was more likely when there was too little food or too many males.
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Postby Screaming Jesus » 06 Nov 2003, 11:49

Not 15 percent. Probably meant 1.5 percent.

I think it's obvious that Taiwan DOES have a problem with foreign brides. As most of us are aware many, perhaps most, of these marriages are fake and/or mercenary in nature. While it would be nice (for me!) if Taiwan could be a more open society, this isn't going to happen by importing hookers. And the security problem is huge--what if Taiwan's organized crime becomes like Guangdong's?
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Postby Lord Lucan » 06 Nov 2003, 12:35

I see from the front page of today's China Post that the imported prostitute problem is still being blamed on the girls. This of course will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future. I quote: "...as many mainland women use the marriages as a coverup for prostitution on the island." http://www.chinapost.com.tw/detail.asp?ID=42865&GRP=A

I think, however, the predictable and monotonous laying of blame at the feet of the girls involved is mostly the work of the English language press, which doesn't seem to have any real journalists covering this issue. In the Chinese press questions are being asked about who is running the prostitution rings, and the incredible demand for prostitutes in Taiwan.

If the simple-minded claptrap being peddled by the English language papers here was correct, the problem could be sorted instantly - all those innocent husbands would shop their wives immediately. This of course is not happening. I wonder why ?
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Postby Serial Killer On Parole » 18 Sep 2006, 19:39

Screaming Jesus wrote: As most of us are aware many, perhaps most, of these marriages are fake and/or mercenary in nature


Yeah please give us the link to your bollocks claim.
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Postby fenlander » 18 Sep 2006, 20:09

Can you give more details on the draft proposal please. In particular the rights of foreign spouses ie the right to appeal before deportation etc
Which party has decided to press for this change. Was this a DPP or KMT idea ? When will it become law or is it likely to become law. Please give the exact draft proposal and when is it being proposed ?
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Postby jlick » 18 Sep 2006, 22:58

fenlander, This thread was started almost three years ago. Since nothing much has been heard since then it's probably a dead issue.
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