Immigrating to Taiwan

[Satellite TV]

HARTZELL SAYS However, it is the way that the Ministry of the Interior sees westerners. Hence, according to the Nationality Law, foreigners must renounce original nationality before obtaining Taiwan nationality.

The question arises: Would it ever be possible to have such a legal stipulation changed? I would be interested in general comments from the community.[/quote]

So your idea of foreigners is only westerners, how conceited is that?

It's all foreigners, not only the westerners.

Many countries in the world have this policy. You'd think that Taiwan was the only country the way you rant and rave about it Hartzell. Some countries allow their citizens dual nationality. The USA only recently (1998) allowed US national to remain US citizens after obtaining other citizenships. Australia not also does, which is also a recent change.

If you really intend to see out your life here can't see why your too chickenshit to become an ROC national. It's not the end of the world you know, and there are some real benefits.

Every country has the right to determine it's own immigration policies and citizenship laws. You're just too gutless to become an ROC Citizen. Too many posts about Not Recognized & Cessation have gone to your head.

More tea?

[Satellite TV]

In addition to renouncing your previous citizenship(s), which in the case of the US you cannot do in Taiwan as there's no real embassy here, you must also be a relation of a Taiwanese person, through birth, adoption, marriage, etc. I imagine there are provisions for people with extremely large amounts of money to do it as well, but they probably also have to renounce their previous citizenships. Then again, being extremely rich, they can probably just as quickly purchase another passport.

I only know of one other person besides myself to have actually done it. He's a British man, over conscription age, who was born to missionaries in China. There might be many others I haven't heard of, however.

I did it and I wasn't married. Cooling Tower has done it and he isn't married either. He managed to renounce his US citizenship without leaving Taiwan, And I renounced Australian citizenship without leaving Taiwan. We're both poor, money has nothing to do with it.

Gov Attache is in the process, he ain't married, and he's poor too.
The other week when I visited his cave we had a good chat about how he was progressing and what documents he had outstanding. And there's also my Afghan friend Kapoor, he's done it too.... Damn soon we can start a club.

[Hartzell]

Every country has the right to determine it's own immigration policies and citizenship laws.

I agree entirely. However, Taiwan is not a country. So what is the argument?

More tea?

[Poagao]

I did it and I wasn't married. Cooling Tower has done it and he isn't married either. He managed to renounce his US citizenship without leaving Taiwan, And I renounced Australian citizenship without leaving Taiwan. We're both poor, money has nothing to do with it.

Gov Attache is in the process, he ain't married, and he's poor too.
The other week when I visited his cave we had a good chat about how he was progressing and what documents he had outstanding. And there's also my Afghan friend Kapoor, he's done it too.... Damn soon we can start a club.

Yes, you're right; I believe that's the situation today. AIT now allows renunciations, but they didn't ten years ago. I also think the rules may have been different back when I did it, but I could be wrong. Most people seem to assume I'm married when I tell them I'm a citizen. I wonder if the majority of foreign nationals who immigrate here are married or not when they go through the process of naturalization?

[david]

Most people seem to assume I'm married when I tell them I'm a citizen. I wonder if the majority of foreign nationals who immigrate here are married or not when they go through the process of naturalization?

I would assume that about 99% are SE Asian (or mainland) brides - and that the laws are designed to address them.

I'm afraid that you, Satellite TV, et al are statistically insignificant

[Satellite TV]

Every country has the right to determine it's own immigration policies and citizenship laws.

I agree entirely. However, Taiwan is not a country. So what is the argument?

More tea?

Let's seen now, Don't you need a visa to visit anoter country. Taiwan requires visa's for Mainland Chinese, and Mainland China requires Vias for Taiwanese... hmmm so that suggests.

Let's see now, Taiwan has it's own government, military, currency, diplomatic relations, and passports. So for you to say Taiwan is not a country is crap. I even have an offical legal opinion from the Australian Govenment that Taiwan is a country.

Renouncing Australian Citizenship can only be done to aquire citizenship of another country.

Part of the ACT realting to this below:

It should be noted that the Acts Interpretation Act defines the meaning of

[Satellite TV]

Most people seem to assume I'm married when I tell them I'm a citizen. I wonder if the majority of foreign nationals who immigrate here are married or not when they go through the process of naturalization?

I would assume that about 99% are SE Asian (or mainland) brides - and that the laws are designed to address them.

I'm afraid that you, Satellite TV, et al are statistically insignificant

Mainland brides are limited. Statistics can be viewed from many sides, and stats lie.

At least I am a statistic, unlike you foriegners.

[smerf]

At least I am a statistic, unlike you foriegners.

With all due respect to your citizenship, I am quite content to remain a foreigner in Taiwan.

[Satellite TV]

At least I am a statistic, unlike you foriegners.

With all due respect to your citizenship, I am quite content to remain a foreigner in Taiwan.

Not when it comes to bank loans, buying land and other properties, running a local business, education, getting phone accounts and the normal things in life which ease your existance here. If I need a visa card I can just apply from those stores like Woking House or Carrafour... they hand out credit cards willy nilly... oops except to foreigners.

[maoman]

Not when it comes to bank loans, buying land and other properties, running a local business, education, getting phone accounts and the normal things in life which ease your existance here. If I need a visa card I can just apply from those stores like Woking House or Carrafour... they hand out credit cards willy nilly... oops except to foreigners.

I've had a bank loan (Standard Chartered) in my name, I've paid for a new vehicle in my name in installments through a bank (Macoto), I've got a chequebook (ICBC), one platinum card and three gold cards in my name (Visa, MasterCard and Amex), my cell phone is in my name (Taiwan DageDa), my adsl and home phone (seednet and Zhonghua Dianxin) is in my name. I don't have a guarantor for any of them. In fact, I am the guarantor for my Taiwanese wife's Amex card. And my business is in my name too... I'm not an R.O.C. citizen.

All of these things weren't given out easily, and I've spent hours and hours in bank offices, going through endless lines of managers, but I've always gotten what I've wanted. Life now is pretty convenient.