Abortion: A woman's right to choose

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Under what condition is abortion justifiable?

It's the woman's right to choose, regardless.
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If the life of the mother is at risk.
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Leave it in God's hands.
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No votes
It's never justifiable. The protagonist should have taken precautions.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Huang Guang Chen » 10 Feb 2009, 11:56

And yet the really odd thing is all I can see is an even stronger argument for retrospective abortion.

Pastor's abortion dream inflames bushfire tragedy

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Danny Nalliah ... says he had a dream

The Catch the Fire Ministries has tried to blame the bushfires disaster on laws decriminalising abortion in Victoria.

The evangelical church's leader, Pastor Danny Nalliah, claimed he had a dream about raging fires on October 21 last year and that he woke with "a flash from the Spirit of God: that His conditional protection has been removed from the nation of Australia, in particular Victoria, for approving the slaughter of innocent children in the womb".

Pastor Nalliah said he was helping to co-ordinate fire relief, including providing trucks to distribute clothes and food and giving his own blood, but he said he must tell "the truth".

Asked by the Herald if he did not believe most Australians would regard his remarks as being in appallingly bad taste, he said today: "I must tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear."

He said it was no use "molly-coddling" Australians.

Asked if he believed in a God who would take vengeance by killing so many people indiscriminately - even those who opposed abortion, Mr Nalliah referred to 2 Chronicles 7:14 to vouch for his assertion that God could withdraw his protection from a nation.

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Dear Pastor Nalliah.

We the Australian people regret the oversight of not realising what a useless piece of shit you were to become back when you were in the first trimester, however, we are eager to both acknowledge and correct this mistake and offer immediately, and free of charge, a retrospective abortion.

Yours with God's love and compassion.

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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Chris » 10 Feb 2009, 13:04

Anti-abortion religious nuts in Australia? :eek:

Whodathunkit?
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby urodacus » 10 Feb 2009, 13:37

Oh, Australia has its fair share of religious nuts. Mostly they are Protestant and Fundamentalist loonies who were unfortunately not lunatic enough to make it big in the American Bible Belt, but there are a fair few Catholic hard cores like Opus Dei and some of the Mother Mary Virgin cults kicking around, not to mention the Brethren (Don't mention the Brethren, they'll come around and cut you), as well as the usual crop of Muslim fundamentalists agitating to install Sharia law.

most of them don't realise, like this pastor Nalliah guy, that it's not a child until it's born.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Jack Burton » 11 Feb 2009, 16:16

Interestingly, traditional Chinese belief is that a child is not human until it learns to be human (or alternatively, it's reached one year or something).

Even more interesting, the young baby ie non-human is even threatening to human adults, because it may be a demon at this point.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Buttercup » 11 Feb 2009, 16:25

It's a logical belief system, I suppose.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Mother Theresa » 11 Feb 2009, 16:34

Jack Burton wrote:Interestingly, traditional Chinese belief is that a child is not human until it learns to be human (or alternatively, it's reached one year or something).


Really? Then why do they (purportedly) calculate ones age from the date of conception?
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Buttercup » 11 Feb 2009, 16:40

Many Chinese beliefs about foetuses and children under one year are fascinating. There are a lot of interesting studies.

I'm guessing it comes from aspects of Taoism, east Asian Buddhist ideas about transmutation and reincarnation and simple expediency in a world with high infant mortality and favouring of male children. Any thoughts, JB?
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby Jack Burton » 11 Feb 2009, 16:53

Buttercup wrote:Many Chinese beliefs about foetuses and children under one year are fascinating. There are a lot of interesting studies.

I'm guessing it comes from aspects of Taoism, east Asian Buddhist ideas about transmutation and reincarnation and simple expediency in a world with high infant mortality and favouring of male children. Any thoughts, JB?


actually, major aspects predate pre-buddhist times, all the way back to neolithic period. More likely to do with the shamanistic/superstitions of that time. For example, those kinds of infants would not be granted a proper burial. This apparently is related to an old belief that man-eating ghouls or ghosts cry with an infant's cry.

What's also interesting is that babies and adults were sacrificed in building projects. Ie life was sacrificed to help consecrate each major stage of construction - this extended to people's homes, to temples, and major public buildings. So in your home, under the pillars, there might be a jar containing a sacrificed dismembered, maybe even burnt infant, youth, or adult, perhaps along with bones of a sacrificed animal (that was used as burnt offering or as part of the feast that went along with the ritual).

So the mob weren't the first ones to make cement shoes so to speak.

On top of that, your kin was buried in your front yard, not in public cemeteries; sometimes even underneath your floor. Add pits where you tossed bones of animals, fish you hunted, and you were literally living amongst and around the dead.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby urodacus » 11 Feb 2009, 17:08

In Chinese culture, and here in traditional families of Chinese ethnicity, babies are only given their proper name at the age of one. and your age is calculated from the time you were born, so as soon as you are born, you are 1 , as in "this is your first year of life". hence the apparent contradiction.

babies under the age of one can well be demons. we have a 'difficult' baby living a couple of floors down. very healthy lungs, to be sure. bastard.

well, probably not technically a bastard, but you know what I mean.
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Re: Abortion: A woman's right to choose

Postby ice raven » 16 Sep 2009, 01:31

I'd like to vote, but all the options except for one are way too far to the right. The one exception, "It's the woman's right to choose, regardless" is just to the right of center. There's no option to suggest that men should have any say whatsoever, that marriage is something that men and women enter together, where they make decisions together and take responsibility together.

My preferred option is way to the left of that, but unfortunately it's not there. Abortion (in the first trimester) should be compulsory unless evidence can be shown of reasonable living standards, a good environment for raising a children, parents are not addicted to harmful substances, parents can show they have some understanding of how to bring up a child, and preferably have either an income or some dough put aside. It should be easier to get a car licence than to obtain complete responsibility over another life.
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