Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby Belgian Pie » 11 Aug 2012, 19:19

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sandman wrote:
RollsRice wrote:"Cucina Sole" about as Italian as Fish and Chips ! Unfortunately, it won't appeal to people who like real Italian food,

It appeals to me and I DEFINITELY like "real" Italian food. If you HONESTLY think the food there is "about as Italian as fish and chips" then you obviously have very little idea of what you're talking about.


Well Jamie Oliver I trust, after travelling around Italy and trying to learn the local specialities came the conclusion that no two villages would produce the same dish in a similar manner, and each were just as offensive about the next village's food. He claimed that he found little to no standards at all in Italy regarding the ingredients or food preparation, although the food was all brilliant.
If true, then this would suggest that there is nothing to be expected of Italian food and that there is no standard definition. In this case, then this restaurant's food could well be as traditional as Italian food in that it might be slightly different to what you have tried.

I must say I'm not qualified to comment myself, but this was just an observation of Jamie Oliver having spent his time travelling all over Italy to get a sense of the cooking.


It's true for food allover the world ... there is no standard French, Italian, German, Chinese or whatever ... but there is a base that you need to adhere to .... so claiming you're offering real Italian or Belgian or Dutch cuisine might be a stretch ... But, what I can tell from the pictures shown, it's as Italian as a Scottish risotto ... but if you like the food ... go for it!
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby tommy525 » 12 Aug 2012, 00:33

Food is like art, the value is to the beholder (or the eater in the case of food). YOu like it? Go back again. You dont? Doesnt matter how authentic it is then.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby engerim » 12 Aug 2012, 00:37

Belgian Pie wrote:It's true for food allover the world ... there is no standard French, Italian, German, Chinese or whatever ... but there is a base that you need to adhere to .... so claiming you're offering real Italian or Belgian or Dutch cuisine might be a stretch ... But, what I can tell from the pictures shown, it's as Italian as a Scottish risotto ... but if you like the food ... go for it!


"Authentic" is just marketing. Just like "grilled to perfection" or "finest, freshest ingredients" or "family run" or anything with french words.
Its only authentic if the chef is Italian and the ingredients are from Italy. Most of the stuff I see in the pictures is bad American Italian style.
But who cares if its tasty.
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Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby headhonchoII » 12 Aug 2012, 13:32

Agreed, to me authenticity depends on the ingredients and the cook. 95% of these places are the same, north American style eateries. They cannot be authentic because the ingredients are not the same as the ones in the individual countries nor are the cooks.
That doesn't mean the food is bad though, just not 'dao di' especially for Europeans. Never go in with big expectations and you won't be disappointed.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby Dark Horse » 20 Aug 2012, 00:12

Found myself in the neighborhood of Cucina Sole this weekend and needing dinner I decided to stop in and see how this place was considering all the recent hubbub about it. I’d always been interested in trying it since it opened and I was in the mood for pasta anyway.

It was lateish, sometime after 9, and it took a bit for someone to show up and seat me but I was finally greeted by a very friendly, very pretty waitress who spoke English very well. I ordered spaghetti and meatballs and some red wine. She asked if I wanted to upgrade to the set meat for another NT$90 (soup, salad, etc.) It seemed fine and included a soft drink but I wasn’t interested in coke or iced tea at that hour so just settled for water.)

Salad came out sans dressing which I requested, fresh veggies and nice oil/pesto drizzle; so far so good. Soup of the day was onion, I’m not a fan of soup in general and onion soup, if done poorly, has the danger of repeating on you all night but this one was fine. However, since they came together, by the time I got to the soup was overly cool. The house wine was perfectly drinkable and at a reasonable NT$180 a glass.

The atmosphere in this place was nice for a while and there were only a couple of other customers left. A modern, clean but not overly well-lighted place. They had a nice soundtrack of Italian music on while I was getting through the salad & soup (think Dean Martin and Tony Bennett type stuff) but suddenly in the middle of a nice song – SNAP – it was switched to some crappy Madonnaish/Lady Gagaish pop stuff. This really disconcerted me. I think, as it was late, the kitchen staff decided to pop in their own MPs files or something. The place seemed to be run that night by teenager-twenty somethings and no adults around (has the manager fled after recent events?) Food is my bottom line but music really affects my restaurant experience. It’s why I avoid all chains anymore, I challenge you to have a meal at a Friday’s or some similar chain restaurant now and be able to hear a normal conversation without straining.

Next came the entrée, well presented and appealing looking. Though as my waitress served it she neglected to notice my wine glass was empty so I never got another. I tucked into one of the meatballs and I was really put off; quite dry and tough. The pasta was fine though, al dente and seasoned well, but the whole thing could have used another ladle of sauce. This also would have helped hide the poor texture of the meatballs also. The portion was average I would say.

I kept thinking throughout the entrée that something was missing though and couldn’t think of what it was (outside of another glass of wine). After I finished they brought the check and bread was listed as part of the $90 set meal upgrade, which was never served and when I asked about it the waitress said something along the lines of “Oops I forgot” and she brought out two little slices in a doggy bag (a bit late) with the receipt. Final Tab: NT$616 with the service charge. There seemed be a questionnaire included with the bill but it was all in Chinese so I didn’t get to give them any feedback.

Overall my experience was acceptable but not worth repeating. It mostly felt like a chain restaurant meal. Maybe the chef was off that day but the dry, chewy meatballs were a deal breaker for me (I’ve had much better at airport restaurants, albeit not in Taiwan), as well as the somewhat sketchy atmosphere and (though very friendly) service. I would go again only if a friend wanted to try it. I notice all the good reviews seem to be from 2011. Could they have changed hands or just started a complacency slip?

For much better value for money and a more convivial atmosphere I recommend staying on the MRT for 10 more minutes and getting off at Xinpu where you can get much better quality and better priced pasta at Le Rouge which is a one minute walk from the MRT exit. Oh, and, for what it’s worth, I’ve certainly never found any screws in any dish at Le Rouge either, just good food. Happy dining!
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby sandman » 20 Aug 2012, 00:18

Hold on! Aren't you the owner of Le Rouge? Or at least a good friend of the place. I seem to recall from previous postings? If true, that is NOT cool! If not, then apologies. But for me, "Dark Horse" means good things to say about Le Rouge.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby Confuzius » 20 Aug 2012, 00:21

sandman wrote:Hold on! Aren't you the owner of Le Rouge? Or at least a good friend of the place. I seem to recall from previous postings? If true, that is NOT cool! If not, then apologies. But for me, "Dark Horse" means good things to say about Le Rouge.


He has less than 300 posts....so it would take maybe 5 mins to search and find out if you care.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby tomthorne » 20 Aug 2012, 00:22

Confuzius wrote:
sandman wrote:Hold on! Aren't you the owner of Le Rouge? Or at least a good friend of the place. I seem to recall from previous postings? If true, that is NOT cool! If not, then apologies. But for me, "Dark Horse" means good things to say about Le Rouge.


He has less than 300 posts....so it would take maybe 5 mins to search and find out if you care.


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Quite the positive review.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby tomthorne » 20 Aug 2012, 00:41

In fact, I'll definitely be visiting Cucina Sole in the near future as all the recent posts about the place feel like a stitch up to me. I don't like to see a business get screwed in that way.
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Re: Cucina Sole: Finally a proper west-Taipei-City Western restaurant

Postby sandman » 20 Aug 2012, 00:42

Confuzius wrote: it would take maybe 5 mins to search and find out if you care.

Ah! As the title of that wonderful Wishbone Ash LP, There's the Rub, eh? Me? I don't give a fuck. I like both places.
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