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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby the bear » 16 Jan 2012, 12:24

kjmillig wrote:Today at work I overheard two teachers conversation (in Chinese) and one inserted what sounded like "pow po" into her sentence. From her context I knew she was talking about PowerPoint.
I'm hearing more and more of "bu-sz" for bus, "OK de", etc.


AFAIK PowerPoint has no Chinese name. You're probably hearing the mispronunciation of common English terminology that is becoming ubiquitous in Taiwanese offices. This deserves its own thread. I am the only westerner in an office of 1000 people and I hear this stuff all day long; all the hard consonants get dropped i.e. software becomes so-ware.
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby Taffy » 16 Jan 2012, 12:29

the bear wrote:I am the only westerner in an office of 1000 people and I hear this stuff all day long; all the hard consonants get dropped i.e. software becomes so-ware.

Along with its cousins fuh-ware and ha-ware.
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby Chris » 12 Apr 2012, 16:58

Thai เรียน (rian "study", "learn") -- Chinese 練 (lian "practice", "train", "drill")

Probably coincidental, but it's good to remember.
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby Chris » 04 May 2012, 21:09

肉體 Taiwanese: ba the ( = body)
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby Chris » 05 May 2012, 11:39

Indonesian anagram pseudocognates:

dan - and
dik - kid
hantu - haunt
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby Chris » 31 Aug 2012, 18:53

Chris wrote:Thai เรียน (rian "study", "learn") -- Chinese 練 (lian "practice", "train", "drill")


ขอ khaw - request
kau (Cantonese) - request

กว้าง kwaang - wide
guang - wide

แขก khaek - guest
khek (Taiwanese, literary reading) - guest

ถ่าน thaan - charcoal
tan - charcoal

อย่าง yaang - type, kind
yang - type, kind

เสียง siang - sound
xiang/ sheng - sound

And so on. Some perhaps coincidental, other borrowings.
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby hansioux » 31 Aug 2012, 19:38

Chris wrote:
Chris wrote:Thai เรียน (rian "study", "learn") -- Chinese 練 (lian "practice", "train", "drill")


ขอ khaw - request
kau (Cantonese) - request

กว้าง kwaang - wide
guang - wide

แขก khaek - guest
khek (Taiwanese, literary reading) - guest

ถ่าน thaan - charcoal
tan - charcoal

อย่าง yaang - type, kind
yang - type, kind

เสียง siang - sound
xiang/ sheng - sound

And so on. Some perhaps coincidental, other borrowings.


It's possibly not borrowed. Since features such as tones, and same words that seems unlikely to be borrowed are shared, some theorize that as human migration from the Asia steppes pushes original East Asian population on a southward migration themselves, and at some point (1600 BC or earlier) languages from the Thai-Kadai family used to be spoken in present day China. As new arrivals adopts and contributes to the language fusion, the original thai language family groups moved further south and eventually the languages becomes very different under different influences.
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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby archylgp » 31 Aug 2012, 20:28

hansioux wrote:
Chris wrote:
Chris wrote:Thai เรียน (rian "study", "learn") -- Chinese 練 (lian "practice", "train", "drill")


ขอ khaw - request
kau (Cantonese) - request

กว้าง kwaang - wide
guang - wide

แขก khaek - guest
khek (Taiwanese, literary reading) - guest

ถ่าน thaan - charcoal
tan - charcoal

อย่าง yaang - type, kind
yang - type, kind

เสียง siang - sound
xiang/ sheng - sound

And so on. Some perhaps coincidental, other borrowings.


It's possibly not borrowed. Since features such as tones, and same words that seems unlikely to be borrowed are shared, some theorize that as human migration from the Asia steppes pushes original East Asian population on a southward migration themselves, and at some point (1600 BC or earlier) languages from the Thai-Kadai family used to be spoken in present day China. As new arrivals adopts and contributes to the language fusion, the original thai language family groups moved further south and eventually the languages becomes very different under different influences.


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Re: loan words/ near cognates/ transliterations, or whatever...

Postby bababa » 03 Sep 2012, 04:23

Chris wrote: And so on. Some perhaps coincidental, other borrowings.

Surely it is neither coincidental, nor borrowed. Aren't Chinese and Thai related languages?
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