Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Belgian Pie » 10 Apr 2012, 17:59

That's why Chinese medicine is more dangerous than homeopathy ... homeopathic remedies are just water with a memory, as Chinese medicine is using poison to heal ... and the dose is not precise, just boil it and drink it ... no measurement.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Ex Animo » 10 Apr 2012, 18:49

So, if one herb is found to cause a rare type of cancer, that means all herbs are therefore cancerous?

Doesn't sound very scientific to me.

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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Belgian Pie » 10 Apr 2012, 19:22

No, but Chinese medicine is not really scientific ... it's trial and error and as said not really dosed ...
And lot's of medicine in western countries are poisonous too and have unspecified side effects if overdosed.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Charlie Jack » 10 Apr 2012, 22:08

sandman wrote:. . . Chinese. . . .


Apparently it's also been known in the West for some time. This is from the predecessor to the OED; I got it from archive.org:

Birthwort

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1551 -- Herbal (1568) 43 Aristolochia rotunda . . may be called in Englyshe . . round byrthwurte: because it helpeth wymen to brynge furth theyr byrth.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Confuzius » 10 Apr 2012, 22:11

Belgian Pie wrote:No, but Chinese medicine is not really scientific ... it's trial and error and as said not really dosed ...


scientific method = trial and error (so according to your statement, Chinese medicine is about as scientific as it gets)

and just in case you forgot what trial and error (and the scientific method) mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Belgian Pie » 10 Apr 2012, 22:32

I'm not going in to that ... but hey, have a go at it ... just take the one cure fits all medicine, well, a lizard more or less ...
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Tempo Gain » 10 Apr 2012, 23:11

Taiwan Animal SOS wrote:So, if one herb is found to cause a rare type of cancer, that means all herbs are therefore cancerous?

Doesn't sound very scientific to me.

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It's not that all herbs are therefore cancerous, but that all combinations of herbs from which the one herb cannot be definitively excluded are therefore suspect.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby tommy525 » 10 Apr 2012, 23:27

Iv never felt i wanted to take any of those chinese herbal potions.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Confuzius » 10 Apr 2012, 23:42

Tempo Gain wrote:
Taiwan Animal SOS wrote:So, if one herb is found to cause a rare type of cancer, that means all herbs are therefore cancerous?

Doesn't sound very scientific to me.

Water causes drowning, you know! :runaway:


It's not that all herbs are therefore cancerous, but that all combinations of herbs from which the one herb cannot be definitively excluded are therefore suspect.



That's if youre too lazy to find an actual doctor-one that tailor makes your remedies for you. If you just go to carefour or 711 and buy the stuff on the shelf without knowing what is in it, then yeah, you could get anything.
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Re: Herbal remedy blamed for high cancer rate in Taiwan

Postby Tempo Gain » 11 Apr 2012, 00:24

Confuzius wrote:
That's if youre too lazy to find an actual doctor-one that tailor makes your remedies for you. If you just go to carefour or 711 and buy the stuff on the shelf without knowing what is in it, then yeah, you could get anything.


No problem there, now you're taking a combination of herbs from which the one herb can be definitively excluded. But are you gonna say, hey doc, there's no madouling in there is there? Or what's the mechanism of definitive exclusion?
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