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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby headhonchoII » 12 Jul 2012, 14:02

Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.
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Re: Hsinchu MRT

Postby the bear » 12 Jul 2012, 15:15

DongMenCheng wrote:I don't get it. If it's a regular TRA train can't they just make it go faster between stops like the trains on the regular line do to Junan and Zhubei? Or would that just make too much sense?


OK I'll spell it out for y'all. There is no MRT. That train is just the old Neiwan spur line rerouted. It was part of the deal when Zhubei was given the HSR cashcow that they would reroute the Neiwan line through East Hsinchu. It can't go faster because its a local train designed to take punters to Neiwan at the weekend to stuff their faces; its not meant to go fast. Y'all gotta forget about this MRT business.
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby nemesis » 12 Jul 2012, 17:06

headhonchoII wrote:
Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.


I never understood why it couldn't run to the science park; it would certainly boost usage and make a profit, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune to build one or two extra stops a bit further south. Add park and pay areas at a few of the stations and you've got a winner for sure.

The Liujia Line is not fast, but on weekdays, if you have time, it's a nice little ride. I once took it in lieu of a taxi and saved a bundle of cash. I understand why it's not called an MRT, but don't entirely understand why; surely it's cheaper to build an MRT-style system than to use standard trains on standard rails. Oh well. It's transport from one station to the other, and it's dirt cheap. Surely that's worth something.
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby the bear » 12 Jul 2012, 19:10

nemesis wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:
Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.


I never understood why it couldn't run to the science park; it would certainly boost usage and make a profit, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune to build one or two extra stops a bit further south. Add park and pay areas at a few of the stations and you've got a winner for sure.

The Liujia Line is not fast, but on weekdays, if you have time, it's a nice little ride. I once took it in lieu of a taxi and saved a bundle of cash. I understand why it's not called an MRT, but don't entirely understand why; surely it's cheaper to build an MRT-style system than to use standard trains on standard rails. Oh well. It's transport from one station to the other, and it's dirt cheap. Surely that's worth something.


Taipei to Hsinchu HSR....31 minutes
Hsinchu HSR to Hsinchu Railway Station....25 minutes

so the time you save on the HSR is completely negated; great success!
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby DongMenCheng » 13 Jul 2012, 10:04

nemesis wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:
Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.


I never understood why it couldn't run to the science park; it would certainly boost usage and make a profit, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune to build one or two extra stops a bit further south. Add park and pay areas at a few of the stations and you've got a winner for sure.

The Liujia Line is not fast, but on weekdays, if you have time, it's a nice little ride. I once took it in lieu of a taxi and saved a bundle of cash. I understand why it's not called an MRT, but don't entirely understand why; surely it's cheaper to build an MRT-style system than to use standard trains on standard rails. Oh well. It's transport from one station to the other, and it's dirt cheap. Surely that's worth something.


Again, actually building the bloody line on Guangfu would make too much sense right? I mean you'd actually have PEOPLE, students from Qinghua and Jiaotong and Science Park workers and engineers and the like actually using this thing to get home to Zhubei or to the HSR to points farther on. That would be too Taipei for Hsinchu's liking. A mass transit option that actually serves the people and serves to get the bloody traffic off the road. They'll probably have to build another bloody MRT-like line in 10 years anyway for that purpose, around the Hsinchu and Zhubei downtown/commercial areas. That HWY#1 is brutal, slowing to a crawl every time u get near the Science Park. I don't know how people still put up with it everyday, crawling along for 30mins to an hour just to get across the bridge from Zhubei into Hsinchu to get to work in the SP.
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby the bear » 13 Jul 2012, 11:29

DongMenCheng wrote:
nemesis wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:
Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.


I never understood why it couldn't run to the science park; it would certainly boost usage and make a profit, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune to build one or two extra stops a bit further south. Add park and pay areas at a few of the stations and you've got a winner for sure.

The Liujia Line is not fast, but on weekdays, if you have time, it's a nice little ride. I once took it in lieu of a taxi and saved a bundle of cash. I understand why it's not called an MRT, but don't entirely understand why; surely it's cheaper to build an MRT-style system than to use standard trains on standard rails. Oh well. It's transport from one station to the other, and it's dirt cheap. Surely that's worth something.


Again, actually building the bloody line on Guangfu would make too much sense right? I mean you'd actually have PEOPLE, students from Qinghua and Jiaotong and Science Park workers and engineers and the like actually using this thing to get home to Zhubei or to the HSR to points farther on. That would be too Taipei for Hsinchu's liking. A mass transit option that actually serves the people and serves to get the bloody traffic off the road. They'll probably have to build another bloody MRT-like line in 10 years anyway for that purpose, around the Hsinchu and Zhubei downtown/commercial areas. That HWY#1 is brutal, slowing to a crawl every time u get near the Science Park. I don't know how people still put up with it everyday, crawling along for 30mins to an hour just to get across the bridge from Zhubei into Hsinchu to get to work in the SP.


The Science Park is a transportation clusterfuck made even worse by the fact that neither Tsinghua or Chiaotong will allow access roads to run through them. So even to get to Guangfu from the Science Park requires labyrinthine maneuverings, some of which change according to the time of day/week.
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby nemesis » 13 Jul 2012, 16:44

the bear wrote:
DongMenCheng wrote:
nemesis wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:
Toe Save wrote:
beppi wrote:There is no work on (and as far as I know also no plans for) an MRT connection to the science park.


Why not for pete's sake? That's just inane. Guang Fu E Road is the busiest road in Taiwan.There has to be a stop by SP, or why bother?

Accchhhh!!!! I'll never understand this culture.


Yep, it's crazy. That road is one of the worst roads in any city in Taiwan. The science park really needs a public transport option.


I never understood why it couldn't run to the science park; it would certainly boost usage and make a profit, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune to build one or two extra stops a bit further south. Add park and pay areas at a few of the stations and you've got a winner for sure.

The Liujia Line is not fast, but on weekdays, if you have time, it's a nice little ride. I once took it in lieu of a taxi and saved a bundle of cash. I understand why it's not called an MRT, but don't entirely understand why; surely it's cheaper to build an MRT-style system than to use standard trains on standard rails. Oh well. It's transport from one station to the other, and it's dirt cheap. Surely that's worth something.


Again, actually building the bloody line on Guangfu would make too much sense right? I mean you'd actually have PEOPLE, students from Qinghua and Jiaotong and Science Park workers and engineers and the like actually using this thing to get home to Zhubei or to the HSR to points farther on. That would be too Taipei for Hsinchu's liking. A mass transit option that actually serves the people and serves to get the bloody traffic off the road. They'll probably have to build another bloody MRT-like line in 10 years anyway for that purpose, around the Hsinchu and Zhubei downtown/commercial areas. That HWY#1 is brutal, slowing to a crawl every time u get near the Science Park. I don't know how people still put up with it everyday, crawling along for 30mins to an hour just to get across the bridge from Zhubei into Hsinchu to get to work in the SP.


The Science Park is a transportation clusterfuck made even worse by the fact that neither Tsinghua or Chiaotong will allow access roads to run through them. So even to get to Guangfu from the Science Park requires labyrinthine maneuverings, some of which change according to the time of day/week.


It's the stuff of nightmares. :thumbsdown: And to make matters worse, it's probably only a matter of time before the Dongda/Guangfu viaduct is lengthened, when they could have just used the money and resources to build an effective transportation system. Don't even get me started about Science Park traffic... or the douchebaggery of the Universities mentioned. I think at one point, Tsinghua tacitly allowed scooter access, but not anymore. And the fact that there are about five street names used and reused with numbers all over the SP only confuses people who aren't there every day, slowing the traffic even more (assuming that's possible). A little common sense would go a LONG way, here.
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Re: Hsinchu (Xinzhu) MRT

Postby the bear » 13 Jul 2012, 17:43

nemesis wrote:
It's the stuff of nightmares. :thumbsdown: And to make matters worse, it's probably only a matter of time before the Dongda/Guangfu viaduct is lengthened, when they could have just used the money and resources to build an effective transportation system. Don't even get me started about Science Park traffic... or the douchebaggery of the Universities mentioned. I think at one point, Tsinghua tacitly allowed scooter access, but not anymore. And the fact that there are about five street names used and reused with numbers all over the SP only confuses people who aren't there every day, slowing the traffic even more (assuming that's possible). A little common sense would go a LONG way, here.


Chiaoda also allowed scooters to use its weird scooter thoroughfare up until the beginning of the year. Now its access-controlled.
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Re: Hsinchu MRT

Postby DongMenCheng » 15 Jul 2012, 06:14

Actually Hsinchu is just one big traffic cluster fuck, but that's why we love it right? :bravo:

They're really gonna destroy the nice part of Guangfu near Qinghua where all the big shady trees are with an ungodly viaduct, when they coulda just easily put in a tram up the length of it from downtown to Zhudong and solved a lot of problems cheaper and more easily?
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