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British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby stickyfingers85 » 13 Dec 2011, 20:27

Hello

Would anyone be able to give advice or even an opinion on the following?

I live in the UK and my girlfriend lives in Taiwan. We have been together for approx 18 months and during that time I've been over to Taiwan once, going again next week, and she has been over to the UK once, and she is coming over again in April. We see each other on skype every day without fail, very much in love, and I am thinking about proposing at some point next year.

My problem is where we would both live and work. I think it would be better if we lived in the UK and she thinks it would be better to live in Taiwan.

We both have good jobs, i work as an IT Engineer and am currently on a years secondment to Paris for my work, and she works for China Airlines Ground Staff / Checkin.

Unfortunatly I do not have a University degree and from conducting endless research online i understand that it is very hard for me to obtain a work visa in Taiwan without one, even if i just wanted to teach English. I am not sure if this is correct but is the only way i could get a job in Taiwan is to get married first?

Therefore I think it would be easier for her to come to UK to live/work. She speaks almost perfect English and being fluent Chinese I don't think she would find it difficult to get a job in the UK. Maybe a UK airline, or I have even heard some of the big department stores in London are looking for fluent chinese speakers and earn good money.

However, she doesn't want to leave Taiwan. She enjoys her job a lot and doesn't want to be away from her family. She thinks that i could earn good money teaching English, but doesn't seem to understand why i can't do that without a University degree.

The long distance is becoming very hard for the both of us as we get closer and closer, especially on the moments where we have to say goodbye at an airport, but I don't want to rush getting married either just for a work visa to be together in one country.

I was thinking about saving money and going to live, but not work, in Taiwan on a 6 month visitors visa, just to see what it is like to live in Taiwan, but not really sure if thats the best way of doing it.

Anyone have any advice on what we should do? If i knew that i could find a job in Taiwan without a University Degree I would move to Taiwan to be with her in a second, but I think it is a huge risk for any future family we may have together if i can't find a job.

Thanks in advance
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby finley » 13 Dec 2011, 20:56

FWIW:

1) Don't get married until you have had a relationship that involves more than fleeting visits.
2) Do what you said: save some cash, get a tourist visa, and stay in Taiwan for as long as possible.
3) I don't see why you have to make a choice. You ought to be able to arrange things - eventually - so that you can, say, work in England during the summer, and in Taiwan during winter. I would have thought your gf could arrange something similar with China Airlines. If you can throw a third country into the mix you drop off the taxman's radar, in the UK at least.
4) Find yourself a moderately-reliable source of contract work (shouldn't be difficult in your industry) so that you have the freedom to go where you want when you want. This will mean a fairly modest income (on average), and it would be worth finding out how your gf feels about that. I'm not saying she's only interested in money, but in general Taiwanese people do have different attitudes to money than you might be used to. Find out what her attitudes are towards family finances, conspicuous consumption, etc. If they're radically different to yours, you might have issues.

That kind of thing doesn't fall into place overnight, but it seems like your best solution. In the meantime, I'd say your first order of business is to scrape some money together and spend some quality time together, either in Taiwan or England.

oh, and you're right about the English-teacher thing. I believe it IS theoretically possible to get under-the-table work as a private tutor without official credentials, but you'd still be here on a tourist visa and you risk get fined and kicked out of the country, with a black mark on your passport. It's not worth the hassle.
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby stickyfingers85 » 13 Dec 2011, 21:18

Thank you very much for the advice, its always helpful to have a different opinion

I think you are right about getting some quality time together first. I'm on a years secondment in Paris but after that has finished i will take an extended trip to Taiwan.

My girlfriend is very worried about our future, thinking if we even have a future because of the long distance and that I don't speak Chinese. I keep telling her that you either want it to work or you dont and that i will learn chinese, especially if I need to find a job in Taiwan.

It is a big risk for me as I doubt my current employer will let me take 6 months leave for a stay in Taiwan, so it means quitting my job and then trying to find another when/if I come back.

Her opinion on money is that i should be able to provide for the family. I know that in the future she wants children and would like to be a house wise, which is another reason I think it would be better to live in the UK. I am happy for her to do this but obviously worried about being able to provide everything we would need, and what her parents would expect.
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby tommy525 » 14 Dec 2011, 01:15

What? DId you check her out while she was checking you in? YOu wanna marry this girl and remain married. YOu may have to make it work in Taiwan. Many taiwanese girls do NOT want to leave the rock and be very far from their families. Some are fine with it, but many are not. IF you cant hack it on the rock you may have to find another one. There are other China Airlines check in girls too ya know? Some already live in the UK.

Its a tuff road you're on. Better go live on the rock for a year and see if :

1. you guys are really gonna make it as a couple
2. you can hack being long term on the rock (its a life sentence but some get out after 20 - 30 years)
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby Satellite TV » 14 Dec 2011, 04:42

stickyfingers85 wrote:Her opinion on money is that i should be able to provide for the family. .


Her opinion is outdated it takes a working couple to provide for a family nowadays.
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby tommy525 » 14 Dec 2011, 05:47

Satellite TV wrote:
stickyfingers85 wrote:Her opinion on money is that i should be able to provide for the family. .


Her opinion is outdated it takes a working couple to provide for a family nowadays.


Yes and with two cats but no kids.

hey im seeing double or there are two identical threads here?

cept the replies are different?
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby tommy525 » 14 Dec 2011, 05:47

Satellite TV wrote:
stickyfingers85 wrote:Her opinion on money is that i should be able to provide for the family. .


Her opinion is outdated it takes a working couple to provide for a family nowadays.


Yes and with two cats but no kids.

hey im seeing double or there are two identical threads here?

cept the replies are different?
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby Satellite TV » 14 Dec 2011, 06:30

tommy525 wrote:
Satellite TV wrote:
stickyfingers85 wrote:Her opinion on money is that i should be able to provide for the family. .


Her opinion is outdated it takes a working couple to provide for a family nowadays.


Yes and with two cats but no kids.

hey im seeing double or there are two identical threads here?

cept the replies are different?


Yup 2 threads out there. He could come here and find good work with a marriage based visa but its a long hard road. His woman will demand of him a lot of sacrifices she would not be willing to make herself. So he will have to bend over and take it to please his woman.
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby Hartzell » 14 Dec 2011, 09:27

My two cents worth of commentary is as follows:

Typically, your average "Taiwan citizen" has no concept of the work restrictions in Taiwan regarding foreigners. Hence, when this Taiwanese lady says she feels that you could find a good job in Taiwan . . . . . . I would ask:

Is her statement in this regard actually based on any amount of research? You, the UK male, have said that you do not have a University degree. That fact alone puts you outside of the possibility of being hired by any language center here as a full time teacher.

Moreover, emotionally speaking, do you think you would enjoy "English language teaching" more than the work you are currently doing??? In my experience of teaching English, I find that there is a significant bottleneck which Chinese students have in learning English and that is VERB TENSE. In the Chinese language, there are no tenses. Hence, the average Chinese student basically has no sense of VERB TENSE. However, in English that is all important.

So . . . . . when you get to that point in your teaching, be prepared for serious problems. By comparison, "irregular plurals" and "idioms" are a minor issue, although of course those cause lots of problems.

Can you get a job in the IT field in Taiwan without a university degree?? I would imagine it would be very difficult. You have to get a work permit, and without a college/university degree, your employer cannot apply for your work permit. Certainly, you don't want to work illegally?
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Re: British Guy & Taiwanese Girl - Which Country to Live/Work in?

Postby milkalex » 14 Dec 2011, 09:35

If a Taiwanese says you can find a job easily, forget it! They only see the Americans who teach English, they don't understand that any other job is very hard to get if you're not in a management position back home. The most jobs here are in the higher management. However you are an English speaker and in the IT profession, it might be possible to find a job here after all. Just come here for a couple month and give it a try, you don't need a university degree to get a work permit but 5 years of work experience. I am quite lucky cause my gf would be willing to relocate, after two years in Australia she realized that Taiwan kinda sucks ;). But now I got a job (lets see for how long :roll: ) and everything is fine. So give it a try!
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