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Re: Marriage and household registration questions

Postby tsukinodeynatsu » 07 Apr 2012, 23:40

You might want to look into that more carefully, I'll ask but no-one's around for me to ask at the moment!

People talk about 過戶, which is signing a house (and the registration) from one person's name to another. For example, in my husband's family they own three houses - the head of house of one is their dad, another is his older brother, and another is his younger sister (we're signed onto his dad's registration). The way they talk about it the ownership of the houses are technically residing with the person signed onto the head of house (I.e. if they want to do anything with the house signed under the sister they need the sister's documents and stamp).

I've just pulled out our registration (I am the keeper :D ) and there's nothing about the owner of the house but only the owner of the registration. But the brother's apparently on our registration, which either means that the other house is in their aunt's name or that you can be registered in two places or that title is not connected to HR at all. So I'm completely and utterly confused, and advise you to go to the HR office and double check everything.
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Re: Marriage and household registration questions

Postby Rotalsnart » 09 Apr 2012, 11:16

tsukinodeynatsu wrote:You might want to look into that more carefully, I'll ask but no-one's around for me to ask at the moment!

People talk about 過戶, which is signing a house (and the registration) from one person's name to another. For example, in my husband's family they own three houses - the head of house of one is their dad, another is his older brother, and another is his younger sister (we're signed onto his dad's registration). The way they talk about it the ownership of the houses are technically residing with the person signed onto the head of house (I.e. if they want to do anything with the house signed under the sister they need the sister's documents and stamp).

I've just pulled out our registration (I am the keeper :D ) and there's nothing about the owner of the house but only the owner of the registration. But the brother's apparently on our registration, which either means that the other house is in their aunt's name or that you can be registered in two places or that title is not connected to HR at all. So I'm completely and utterly confused, and advise you to go to the HR office and double check everything.


Tsuki,

You're still confusing household registration with real estate title. There is no direct connection between these things. That is to say, there is absolutely no direct legal connection between 過戶 (transfer) of the title to an apartment and 戶籍登記 (household registration). That was never in question (until you raised the question).

My actual question in this thread is a bit more subtle: whether there may be any non-obvious but potential tax or inheritance implications relating to how household registration is set up. Still hoping others may chime in if they have any thoughts on that.
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Re: Marriage and household registration questions

Postby spaint » 09 Apr 2012, 11:54

I have no ideas on the "head of household" question nor regarding inheritance and tax issues, but all other things being equal, I would choose your option 2, simply because it means that your household registration is in the town and district where you actually reside. If you were registered on her family's household registration and it was in another city altogether, you would find yourself ineligible for local benefits such as sports center usage, legal aid, aid with domestic abuse etc., while also being unable to use those found at your place of household registration. Plus your wife would actually be able to vote for someone who will represent her and the place where she lives (how's that for a radical concept?).
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Re: Marriage and household registration questions

Postby Rotalsnart » 09 Apr 2012, 12:02

spaint wrote:I have no ideas on the "head of household" question nor regarding inheritance and tax issues, but all other things being equal, I would choose your option 2, simply because it means that your household registration is in the town and district where you actually reside. If you were registered on her family's household registration and it was in another city altogether, you would find yourself ineligible for local benefits such as sports center usage, legal aid, aid with domestic abuse etc., while also being unable to use those found at your place of household registration. Plus your wife would actually be able to vote for someone who will represent her and the place where she lives (how's that for a radical concept?).


Spaint, These are good points in terms of my wife-to-be's eligibility for these things. I don't think they would apply to me personally because my APRC already lists my current address as my residence address. I don't think I would be legally required to change that even if I were to be listed in my wife's household registration at another address. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.)
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Re: Marriage and household registration questions

Postby spaint » 09 Apr 2012, 13:02

That actually brings up another point I hadn't thought of.

Back when I was getting divorced, we still had the paper ARCs, and I had my Taipei address on the back as a "temporary" abode. Technically, I wasn't supposed to be separated from my wife, but the NIA allowed that a couple might be "temporarily" living apart.

Then, when my then soon-to-be ex assaulted me, bit me and then got her brother to call me and threaten me with assault charges, I went to a Taipei hospital to file a report of domestic abuse and I learned that I wasn't eligible for some kind of free service that Taipei residents were entitled to because my household registration was still in Taichung.

Can't remember much more than that I'm afraid, but I'd be very wary about placing myself in such a grey area if I were you.
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