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All men will cheat, wife wants 100% control of money -- help

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Postby Mucha Man » 14 Apr 2007, 15:41

Namahottie wrote:
dumas wrote:Why is this sticky?

Quite a few people have found this informative and an issue that needs to be highlighted.

Are you sure he was talking about the thread and not just typing out loud?
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”
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Postby citizen k » 04 Nov 2007, 03:11

karmaGfa wrote:Imagine that you let her handle the whole finance of your couple, that you let her have only her name on your house, on the car that you bought together. Imagine that one day you will have a fight with her about a sensitive subject where both of you won't accept the opinion of the other one (for instance, let's say .. due to culture difference), you may be like me : kicked out by the police from your own place, and left without anything and without money.

You know, I had a conversation with a lawyer friend last night and was surprised to find out that this is essentially true. In the case of divorce, division of assets is quite simple: You keep what's in your name, she keeps what's in hers. No small wonder that all the ladies want to control the finances... :lol:
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Postby sulavaca » 04 Nov 2007, 12:37

I let my wife control the money, but I'm glad to, I hate money matters and I'd rather have nothing to do with it all, besides she invests with far more success than I could ever dream of. according to her, we are doing all right and why would I question it, I love her and trust her completely. I would have no reason to stay married if I could only wonder if all my hard earned money wasn't someday going to evaporate into thin air.
Having said that though, I wouldn't trust most other Taiwanese people with a pet, let alone my money. My wife was hard to find because of that reason, I hope yours was too. I think you'll have to win her over from the traditional Taiwanese mindset. My wife asked me if I would ever beat her when we first got together and asked me all sorts of testing questions about fidelity, finance and what have you, I can't blame her from what I have witnessed and what I still continue to witness all the time. Marriage is a convenience for many in Taiwan, just like 7-11s and ATM machines, and if they stop working for people, then it's easy to just go and find something that does.
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Postby Tempo Gain » 04 Nov 2007, 17:16

trust is one thing, ensuring your financial standing for the future is another. just my opinion.

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Postby MustangSammy » 07 Nov 2007, 12:33

I let my wife handle money matters. If she cheats me out of it one day, then I'll know what to do next!
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Postby Jack Burton » 07 Nov 2007, 14:31

1. The OP talked about the females in his wife's family talking about fears of men whoring, etc.

To this I say:

Don't let the pasts and habits of someone else affect your relationship, your future, and your finances. WTF does some Taiwanese guy cheating have to do with you?

2. 10K/month?

How about I buy you a few dinners a month or bring over gifts WHEN I want TO? Unless you're crippled, and the wife is the only person supporting you, I don't think so. You should have paid me a dowry according to tradition, but you didn't.

3. joint account/money control:

In the end, all the Chinese women I know, take control of finances. But that should come later in marriage, and when she actually knows what to do with the money (and she may even be better at preserving wealth while the man is better at creating wealth).

NB This is a marriage of 2 cultures: yours and hers. She has her ways; you have yours - Now compromise, but don't give it all away.

It's somewhat surprising none of this was talked about before jumping into marriage, but *&% happens. Don't be a complete tool and be used like one.
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Postby Ed en Vadrouille » 29 Nov 2007, 08:43

sandman wrote:That gives me an idea. I think it would be helpful to have a serious area of forumosa -- something like the parenting section -- in which a respository of information like this could be established to provide those approaching marriage to a local with knowledge of the various traditions/expectations/common points of contention they might be likely to encounter.

Best shape for the thing would be a wiki. Pretty damn simple to install.
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Postby Ed en Vadrouille » 29 Nov 2007, 09:43

I've read cultural gems in the 7 pages of this topic. To answer OP, I believe a mix of finding out what the real traditions are (yes the girl do marry OUT of the family) and communication on the his wife's insecurities, along with a good deal of smart accounting and shared accounts should settle this down in happiness.

As i finish reading this topic, I'd like to point out how it work with "my in-laws":

I lived in their house for over 3 months last year. As i did not have income per se (I was a student and was getting money from my own family), they refused even to consider the idea of me paying for anything. Their lifestyle included going to nice restaurants 3 or 4 times a week, a 4 days luxury new year trip with the extended family, frequent travels to Kending in the best place over there...
They are a rather traditional family living in a small town in the south. I would consider them as traditional but rather educated.

They actually paid for the trip expenses of the uncle and his wife, who also happen to have used their car for the past 4 or 5 years. He lent them extensive amount of money when their business was short of cash and cash seems to go back and forth between the two families (albeit i, my girl, and the younger sister are lobbying for a bit more accountability). Another uncle screwed the rest of the offspring when the grandfather died on the pretext that he was the first son. He has been literally erased from the family tree and the two sisters made it up to the second son with their share of the heritage.

The younger sister has been giving her entire income to the family for the past two years (she lives with them), they are now thinking to buy her a car. She is soon going to be managing one of the uncle's buxiban. My girlfriend (she has lived with the family until now) has been using her income to buy life insurance and to start invest, in her own name.

My girl's older sister, who has been managing the family business in Taiwan for the past 10 years, has been paying every single expense of my girlfriend's education in the US and UK. This includes 2 years language school in the US (where we met) and 2 years to pass her master in the UK. She is frequently having issues with her father over his management of the family's business in China (he has poor notion of cash flows and getting paid on time). She extensively helps people in her Guanxi (albeit once again, we are trying to influence this to make it more reasonable).

Under these conditions, and since there is no son in the family, I would be more than eager to help them cope with hardships, or subsidize the younger sister's foreign diploma if we were married. This would come with ties over how they use this money, but I do consider it perfectly normal and fair to help the family in these conditions.

My point is that while money can be an issue, these people are family, and we should not forget it.

It is also quite often easy for one to see what efforts one may be doing in the direction of the other's culture, but that may as well blind one in thinking he is doing the most. A bit of lucid generosity (mostly intellectual one) is necessary here.
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Postby housecat » 29 Nov 2007, 09:46

TMK wrote:Her Aunts and mother have all brain-trained her to feel this way.

Um, no, that was the uncles and father who cheated.

I'm an American woman who was married to a Taiwanese man. He never had a problem with sending money to my mother. I wanted to do that because I did it before I married, as my mother needed it.

I took care of all the banking and money issues until he got all huffy about the fact that he didn't think we had enough money. So, that month he took controle. He spent three months salary that month and I spent the next six months trying to get us caught back up! Before we married he saved every receipt and counted every single NT. He didn't like my more relaxed style of book keeping and making sure all the bills were paid before spending on everything else. So, he thought I was squandering. And I felt resentful towards him for months and months for having to get us back out of the hole he dug.
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Postby rocky raccoon » 24 Dec 2007, 16:14

sulavaca wrote:My wife asked me if I would ever beat her when we first got together...

My girlfriend and I always play fight and take turns beating each other. It's nice.

This is an interesting thread because when the thought of marriage comes into my head, the 2nd thought is always money.

Right now we live together and have our separate accounts. I'm thinking that opening the 3rd account is a decent strategy. It shouldn't be too difficult to manage because what are the shared expenses anyway? Rent and bills, or perhaps a mortgage in the future?

I'm also doing what Miltownkid mentioned, writing down every single NT dollar because I need to know exactly how much I'll be able to save in the future.
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