gnaij wrote:I agree with you that he would prefer Team USA over any other team in the world.
Right? Right?? Who wouldn't want to play with Kobe and the lads??
gnaij wrote: But that's not my point. If he were to play for Team Chinese Taipei, he would not have to give up any legal rights. If he were to play for Team China, he would have to renounce his US citizenship and naturalize as a Chinese national. Under Article 5 of PRC Nationality Law he does not already possess Chinese nationality - he would have to obtain as any other foreigner.
In terms of Jeremy Lin, I should bloody well hope not. Like you, he's Taiwanese by descent (if he should wish to take advantage of that, like you are trying to do, and more power to you), NOT Chinese, and therefore a foreigner in China. Amen to that!!
gnaij wrote: I'm pretty sure he would not want to do that just to play on their Olympic team, though is he sucked enough to not make it to Team USA he could very well play for Team Chinese Taipei.
Indeed. But one wonders what the repercussions of such a move would be, in terms of conscription etc. Would they attempt to draft such a high profile person, or would he somehow be given a pass or allowed to do some other form of service? I'm guessing someone of that stature would either get a pass or do alternative service.
gnaij wrote:Taiwan nationality law ceased being racist in 2002. Until 2002, anyone of Chinese ethnicity could obtain a certificate of Overseas Chinese status and use that to obtain a ROC passport. From 2002, it is no longer possible to obtain a ROC passport with a certificate of Overseas Chinese status. Only people born to parents who have ROC passports or born within the official borders of the Republic of China can obtain new ROC passports.
I was not aware of that. I thought the pre-2002 situation still existed. In that case, I am very very pleased, and apologise for the misconception. However, being born in Taiwan doesn't automatically result in citizenship or nationality. One or both parents need to be Taiwanese citizens at the time of the child's birth. I state this confidently, because I know of several foreign families who have had and raised kids here, and their kids are all on ARCs.
gnaij wrote:Are you arguing that jus sanguinus is racist? Every country in the world recognizes some form of jus sanguinus (citizenship by descent), so every country must be racist!
Nope. That was my mistake in terms of still thinking the pre-2002 situation existed whereby anyone with a slim claim of "Chinese" ethnicity was eligible. Piesay for the misunderstanding.
For the record, I do support citizenship by descent, at least until grand parents level. After that, bugger that.
gnaij wrote:At the far end of the spectrum are countries like Canada, the USA, UK, and France, which extend jus sanguinus generally, even if foreign nationality is obtained by birth abroad, but impose some limitations on the number of generations jus sanguinus can extend.
I agree with that/ Otherwise you would be having basically the same situation where someone who's great grandfather left Taiwan more than a 100 years ago laying claim to citizenship. That's pretty much BS IMVHO.
The "abnormality" in Taiwan law when compared to most Western countries is the differentiation into registered nationals and unregistered nationals
Yeah, granted, that's a bit odd.
gnaij wrote: If anything needs to change, it is that overseas born children of Taiwanese people should be able to exercise the same citizenship rights as those born and bred in Taiwan.
Agreed, but then they should also have to follow the same obligations as persons born and bred here should they wish to make a living here for any length of time.
gnaij wrote: This is somewhat the case - but the requirement is that household registration for these overseas born Taiwanese must be established by age 14, or they become unregistered nationals having to fulfill certain residency requirements to get an ID card. Nationality and citizenship rights should be directly linked - they need to remove household registration as a prerequisite for exercising citizenship rights. Existing law is not unlike British nationality law and its treatment of colonial subjects.
Indeed, but I wonder if conscription isn't the major reason behind this. Not sure if it is or isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is the case. This may change after conscription ends, or maybe not, because another factor may be voting rights. And personally, I have a bit of a problem with that too. I'm a big believer in "no taxation without representation" and vice versa. I know most won't agree with me, but I think no resident and non tax paying nationals/citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote. Why? Because it's easy to sell us down the river to China whilst comfortably sitting in your living room in the US, Canada or Aussie. I remember how all the non resident, non tax paying runners to NA came back in 2008 to vote for Ma and the KMT, only to get back on a plane and back to their lives in N after the elections ended. They should have no say in our future IMO.
Anyway, more on topic, how is your situation unfolding so far? Any headway?