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Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby trubadour » 20 Jul 2012, 22:57

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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby BAH » 24 Jul 2012, 14:28

I did this in Shanghai -- very easy.

I brought a bagful of documents from yearbooks to letters to house deeds. In the end the guy didn't look at anything.
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby Puppet » 25 Feb 2013, 23:12

Dr. McCoy wrote:All you have to do is to keep him overweight and undereducated.


Sorry for bumping this thread. But have to. Thank you for the best laugh I read today. My fiance even loved this.
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby Pocket Square » 10 Jan 2014, 19:18

If I apply for USA citizenship for my baby, will he/she then be subject to world-wide income for taxation as I am now? Basically, is the Taiwan citizenship good enough to avoid this taxation burden that they will be subject to in the future. What do you think?
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby Bernadette » 10 Jan 2014, 19:42

Why don't you just renounce yours and not bother getting it for your child? I looked into renouncing my citizenship, but it seems to be an ordeal. With perceived US rights, privileges and freedoms there are prices to be paid - worldwide taxation is one of them
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby cfimages » 10 Jan 2014, 22:04

Pocket Square wrote:If I apply for USA citizenship for my baby, will he/she then be subject to world-wide income for taxation as I am now? Basically, is the Taiwan citizenship good enough to avoid this taxation burden that they will be subject to in the future. What do you think?


Get it, and then when you're baby grows up he/she can choose to renounce if desired.
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby Zla'od » 16 Jan 2014, 19:50

By now the baby in question has probably been sworn in, but...

On the tax question, according to American legal theology, the baby is ALREADY a U.S. citizen. You're not applying to make it a citizen, but to certify the citizenship it already has. Now a number of children in a similar position grow up without being aware that they are "really" American citizens--there is no way to know how many. Putative foreigners who involuntarily, and perhaps unknowingly, acquired U.S. citizenship by being BORN in the USA would be identifiable from their passport and other credentials which listed their birthplace, and then the IRS might well come after them one day. But those who acquired U.S. citizenship through a (very quiet) parent would not be so visible--unless you went and signed them up for a passport.
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby BAH » 16 Jan 2014, 22:37

Zla'od wrote:By now the baby in question has probably been sworn in, but...

On the tax question, according to American legal theology, the baby is ALREADY a U.S. citizen. You're not applying to make it a citizen, but to certify the citizenship it already has. Now a number of children in a similar position grow up without being aware that they are "really" American citizens--there is no way to know how many. Putative foreigners who involuntarily, and perhaps unknowingly, acquired U.S. citizenship by being BORN in the USA would be identifiable from their passport and other credentials which listed their birthplace, and then the IRS might well come after them one day. But those who acquired U.S. citizenship through a (very quiet) parent would not be so visible--unless you went and signed them up for a passport.


You must work for the IRS, by using the word "putative."
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby psidriven » 26 Feb 2014, 02:49

Isn't the first $90k USD of foreign income exempt from USA taxes? I won't worry about the tax implications for your kid unless they're going to be a child prodigy and making six figures soon.
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Re: Child will be born in Taiwan. How to make him American?

Postby Oneup » 10 Mar 2015, 10:51

I know this thread is old, but thought I'd share what I found out for myself when I had these questions...

Pocket Square wrote:If I apply for USA citizenship for my baby, will he/she then be subject to world-wide income for taxation as I am now? Basically, is the Taiwan citizenship good enough to avoid this taxation burden that they will be subject to in the future. What do you think?


I recently moved to Taiwan and as a US citizen FATCA definitely looms large. However, after speaking to a partner at an accounting firm who specializes in this it appears it's not so bad other than the massive headache of making sure you do all the administrative paperwork properly. As psidriven said, each US citizen gets a Foreign Earned Income Exclusion amount which right now is just over $100,000USD a year. That means you have to file taxes with the IRS every year, but you won't pay any taxes up to that amount. That's for a single taxpayer, so if you file jointly with your spouse just multiply that amount by 2!

Now lets say you have the good fortune of making more than that here in Taiwan, and this is where I thought they'd get me and I'd get double taxed by the US and Taiwan. But this isn't so. Once you go above the threshold of the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion amount, you stop claiming for that and instead take something called the Foreign Tax Credit. Whatever income tax you've paid on your foreign sourced income will reduce your US income tax liability.

Bottom line, you don't pay more in taxes than what you would ordinarily pay the US federal government. But that also means you don't get to take advantage of lower taxes in your foreign country.

But as far as income taxes go (not real estate sales or anything else), I think between the state and federal US taxes you'd be paying compared to Taiwan (including NHI and Labor) I think the taxes are comparable... at least when I crunched the numbers for my family. But then again, I came from NYC, so I was paying federal, state AND city taxes....

Btw, I'm not an accountant... so take all this for what it's worth and speak to a tax professional!
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