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Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Abacus » 04 Jan 2013, 08:12

Roger1950 wrote:Hi thanks for that.
No, I wouldn't give up oz citizenship just to get through immigration quicker! Actually it was more for the kids as they both have jobs on the mainland and its easier to get a work permit there as a Taiwanese. As they were both born in taiwan and lived there for 13 years i thought it would be like other countries and pretty much automatic. Anyway it all looks too problematic so back to leaving taiwan every month!
Thanks again.
Roger


Why can't you get a JFRV instead of leaving every month?

Don't the kids qualify to become ROC nationals because they were born after 1980?
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Feiren » 04 Jan 2013, 10:53

There aren't really any immigration lawyers in Taiwan because there aren't many immigrants. A lawyer who handles employment matters will be able to explain your option to you and hold your hand through the process. However, they will just be explaining matters that you could probably figure out yourself by going to the National Immigration Agency a few times and studying their website closely. It's really a question of how valuable your time is.



Roger1950 wrote:Hi
Interesting thread. I'm australian with a Taiwanese wife. My kids where born here in 1982 and 83. I've recently semi retired here and we are all interested in getting some long term legality here. Some of the other peoples comments seem fairly emphatic that you have to renounce your original citizenship if you want the full ROC Monty. Are you aware if this has changed in the new bill?
Also was wondering if its worth seeing a lawyer here? Can't see in any link an immigration lawyer that is doing immigration rather than em...!
Cheers
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Aboriginal girl » 04 Jan 2013, 12:22

Feiren wrote:There aren't really any immigration lawyers in Taiwan because there aren't many immigrants.


Not many immigrants... nearly a million immigrants in Taiwan. NIA has multi language website. You can donwload the excel spreedsheet listing foreign residents

http://www.immigration.gov.tw/lp.asp?ct ... DSD=7&mp=2

http://www.immigration.gov.tw/welcome.htm http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi ... 5&start=10

70,000 immigrants have become ROC citizens since 2000. How many immigrants is not many? Actually you dont need an immigration lawyer as it is so easy to process JFRV here and it only takes a few weeks compared to most other countries like USA or Canada's where it can take 18 months for spouse visa. DIY.

Nothing to stop Roger getting a JFRV so he doesn't need to leave Taiwan every 30 days. Even if he doesn't want a JFRV he could have applied for a long stay visitor visa for visiting family. Our son who is back in Taiwan on vacation from University NSW brought his Aussie GF and she was able to get a long term stay visitor visa to stay here.

Does Forumosa resresent the foreign community? It represents maybe less than a 1000 real accounts out of maybe nearly a million immigrants in Taiwan. Of course some foreingers posting on here don't even live in Taiwan. Not sure how many locals post on here, probably less than 10?
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby tomthorne » 04 Jan 2013, 17:21

Aboriginal girl wrote:
70,000 immigrants have become ROC citizens since 2000. How many immigrants is not many?


In the UK an average of around 165,000 immigrants become citizens every year. 6,500 or so becoming ROC citizens a year on average pales in comparison, even allowing for a third of the total population.

I agree with you though that the ROC policies are correct. The UK really needs to get tough on immigration in the same way the ROC already is; making it a really difficult process. I'm referring to overall statistics, of course, not personal anecdotes.
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Roger1950 » 06 Feb 2013, 08:28

We just went to the immigration dept. yeh, too hard for me but pretty straight forward for the kids. Except our son would have to go into the army for a year!(as he can't read chinese I wonder about his usefulness there not being able to read any of the gun manuals:) So that's not on, though there is a sort of way around it. Every one really helpful there, though.
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Ming Taizu » 07 May 2013, 19:39

I've been kind of out of the loop as of late and haven't been able to follow up on the proposed measure. Has anyone heard of any news regarding the proposal? And does anyone know how long the current legislative session lasts? Thanks in advance. Ming.

---UPDATE---

Behold the power of the internet: I took a look at the 立法院 website and saw that there has indeed been some movement. The website said that on May 3 the Ministry of the Interior is continuing its review (內政委員會繼續審查). Not sure if this is good or bad news, but it shows that they haven't forgotten about the bill. Here's the link for the curious: http://misq.ly.gov.tw/MISQ/IQuery/misq5 ... 6070100100
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby nonredneck » 12 May 2013, 22:11

So if this bill passes, would it mean that spouses of permanent residents would get open work rights with their derivative permanent resident status?
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Muselia » 27 Mar 2014, 00:38

Have there been any updates on this bill?
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Ming Taizu » 23 Apr 2014, 11:43

I'm also wondering if there has been any news regarding these developments. I've scanned the papers for the past few months, but haven't seen or heard of anything.
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Re: Proposed rules to make it easier to obtain a PARC or ID

Postby Ming Taizu » 15 Dec 2014, 17:08

So it looks like this amendment is still alive and kicking...

The proposal (「入出國及移民法部分條文修正草案」) was passed from the Executive Yuan to the Legislative Yuan earlier this year and the latter published a document on November 10. Here is a link to the LY's publication (in Chinese):

http://lci.ly.gov.tw/LyLCEW/communique1 ... _00006.pdf

It says near the bottom of page 89 that they until February 6, 2015 (104年2月6日) to finalize revisions, so hopefully there will be some good news soon. Reception to the amendment seems pretty positive (see pages 91 and 92)...perhaps the legislators realize that they are going to have to deal with Taiwan's demographic problems (low birth rates, aging society, etc.) in some manner.

Fingers crossed...

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