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Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby wild west hero » 19 Apr 2016, 18:06

headhonchoII wrote:This has always been the case so no change there right?


No Change. A Polish guy who could not renounce did it the year before like this and so have others.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby wild west hero » 19 Apr 2016, 18:14

Icon wrote:It is part of that "grey area" that taiwan law is. If they want to help you,. they have a back door. If they want to %$#@ you, they also have a legal way to do so..


What grey area? It is the law if you can show you cannot renounce you can get ROC ID. Of course for a Ukrainian having a Taiwan passport is much better for traveling on. She is fortunate she can keep both but she would renounce if she could.

I'm not going to give up my US citizenship under any circumstances. We should petition to the US government to refuse renunciation for Taiwan as it's not in the U.N and not recognized by the USA.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Zla'od » 21 Apr 2016, 06:36

Unlike some other countries, the USA allows you to renounce, even if the act would leave you stateless (as would be the case in the case of applicants for ROC citizenship, unless they change the law like they've been talking about doing). So whether Taiwan counts as a real country or not doesn't matter.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Icon » 21 Apr 2016, 09:38

wild west hero wrote:
Icon wrote:It is part of that "grey area" that taiwan law is. If they want to help you,. they have a back door. If they want to %$#@ you, they also have a legal way to do so..


What grey area? It is the law if you can show you cannot renounce you can get ROC ID. Of course for a Ukrainian having a Taiwan passport is much better for traveling on. She is fortunate she can keep both but she would renounce if she could.

I'm not going to give up my US citizenship under any circumstances. We should petition to the US government to refuse renunciation for Taiwan as it's not in the U.N and not recognized by the USA.


Please read my whole statement. I do believe in general that Taiwanese Law, in particular, contracts, are written with plenty of room to wiggle. Wait until you get the short end, and you'll see what I mean!

In thsi case, the law says you have to renounce. There is also a provisioon -PENDING APPROVAL of the authorities- that if you show you cannot renounce but are willing, you MAY still be granted ROC nationality, as they accept that at least you tried. Most cases, there is no problem. However, it does give the authorities the option of saying "no".

Hence, my criticism of the whole "publicity" that they are being extra benevolent and helpful. Yes, it is their prerogative to accept or deny thsi "favor". But it is not as if they are bending the rules or writing new ones just for her.

As to the double, triple nationalities some Taiwanese enjoy, don't get me started... As to the US, just petition the to be extra tight with those Taiwanese-IUS citizens' taxes. That'll be fun to watch.
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