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Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

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Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby gnaij » 23 Jul 2013, 02:12

Months ago, I posted a thread about a set of proposed amendments that would liberalize the Immigration Act in favor of resident foreigners in Taiwan and overseas-born Taiwanese hoping to settle in Taiwan: http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi ... 6&t=112828
myoungabr2 also posted another thread on the same topic here: http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi ... 6&t=121263

The amendments were formally proposed by the Executive Yuan in late 2012 and have been sitting in the Legislative Yuan's Internal Affairs Committee for the past few months. For the past few weeks, myoungabr2 has been personally meeting with legislators and their staff in an attempt to persuade them to move this thing up the agenda and pass it sooner rather than later.

myoungabr2 has also created this petition which he hopes to show to the legislators once we receive 100 signatures. Please take the time to show your support! This will likely affect you if you are a PARC/ARC holder in Taiwan or an overseas-born Taiwanese.
PETITION HERE: https://www.change.org/petitions/taiwan ... e_petition

In a nutshell, the amendment abolishes the requirement that adult overseas-born children of Taiwanese citizens reside in Taiwan for a certain period of time before being eligible for ID cards and other citizenship benefits. In addition, it helps foreigners residing in Taiwan in a bunch of ways: Article 33: PARC holder only needs to visit Taiwan once every 5 years to maintain PARC status (changed from the requirement that the PARC holder needs to reside within Taiwan at least 183 days per calendar year to maintain residency). Article 22: the multi-stage process of applying for a work permit (CLA), residence visa (MOFA), ARC and reentry permit (NIA) through different government agencies is simplified into a one-step process for incoming white collar workers. Article 25: extends permanent resident status to the spouse and minor children of PARC holders.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby myoungabr2 » 24 Jul 2013, 12:25

Gnaij, thanks for the post. If we can get virtual signatures from Forumosa members-- both second generation Taiwanese Americans and also foreigners who are interested in living/working in Taiwan-- it will be of great help in my meetings with the legislators to show that there are hundreds of supporters of changing this law that will benefit us all. All it takes is three minutes of your time to sign this online petition, so please find some time to help me with this matter that is so close, but yet so far.

An alternate shortened link to the Petition can be found HERE: http://chn.ge/1bEq0Xq

Please forward to all your friends and family or any of your contacts with ties to Taiwan.

Thanks,
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Mucha Man » 24 Jul 2013, 16:13

Can you explain this a bit more as I don't see anywhere that explains how this is helpful to foreigners? You are claiming it does but the petition does not.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Dr. Milker » 24 Jul 2013, 16:44

The changes to the PARC requirements aren't mentioned in the petition, but they are included in the legislation
that the petition is urging the Legislative Yuan to pass.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Mucha Man » 24 Jul 2013, 16:59

Dr. Milker wrote:The changes to the PARC requirements aren't mentioned in the petition, but they are included in the legislation
that the petition is urging the Legislative Yuan to pass.


I got that, except for the lack of a link to the legislation. Sorry, I don't, and most don't, sign petitions in a foreign country without clearly knowing what I am doing.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby gnaij » 24 Jul 2013, 17:13

Mucha Man wrote:I got that, except for the lack of a link to the legislation. Sorry, I don't, and most don't, sign petitions in a foreign country without clearly knowing what I am doing.


This is the text of the legislation: http://lci.ly.gov.tw/LyLCEW/agenda1/02/ ... _00048.pdf

This link is to the Legislative Yuan's status on the amendments, which includes the link to the text as submitted by the Executive Yuan for the Legislative Yuan's consideration: http://misq.ly.gov.tw/MISQ/IQuery/misq5 ... 6070100100

I suggest, as others here have done, that you include in your comments when signing this the particular provision that applies to you even if it is not mentioned in the petition yourself. The signing comments will be forwarded to the legislators as well. This whole package of amendments are intended to be passed in one go, as has happened in the past (though, as always, subject to modification in the Legislative Yuan).
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Dr. Milker » 24 Jul 2013, 17:54

I got that, except for the lack of a link to the legislation. Sorry, I don't, and most don't, sign petitions in a foreign country without clearly knowing what I am doing.

Nor do I. Which is why I followed the helpful link on the petition page, read exactly what was included in the
legislation...and then signed.
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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Mucha Man » 24 Jul 2013, 18:40

Dr. Milker wrote:
I got that, except for the lack of a link to the legislation. Sorry, I don't, and most don't, sign petitions in a foreign country without clearly knowing what I am doing.

Nor do I. Which is why I followed the helpful link on the petition page, read exactly what was included in the
legislation...and then signed.


Well, you must have damn good Chinese to be so confident in your ability to understand the legislation that you are willing to sign a petition saying you agree with it.

And frankly, if the OP doesn't understand that most foreigners in Taiwan are not going to be able to confidently read the legislation then he needs to rethink what he is doing asking for support here.

I see 27 signatures so far. That is telling considering this is an issue many of us care about.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby afterspivak » 24 Jul 2013, 22:15

OP: I am with Muzha Man in wondering about what you expect some of us to do here. I am sympathetic and would gladly support the proposed legislation--but I'm sorry I cannot sign the petition as along as it opens with the words: "We, the sons and daughters of Taiwanese citizens around the world."

Good luck with this.

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Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Dr. Milker » 25 Jul 2013, 00:00

For the non-Chinese readers out there, here’s a quick summary of the changes in the amendment that are relevant to PARC holders and other resident foreigners:

Article 22
Enables “white collar” workers who enter Taiwan on a visa or visa free to apply for residence visa, work permit, ARC and reentry permit through single application process within 30 days of entry

Article 25
Allows spouse and minor children of PARC holders to also obtain PARC

Article 31
Main change allows foreign residents who are injured on the job to stay past the date their ARC expires if they are undergoing medical treatment

Article 33
Allows PARC holders to maintain residency status just by making sure that stays abroad are under five years

Yes, the wording of the petition could have been more inclusive, considering that the proposed amendment includes benefits for all stripes of non-citizens. On the other hand, I can’t blame Mr. Young for starting a petition mainly with his own interests in mind.

But the fact remains that the petition supports passage of an amendment that will make life easier for all of us, not just “the sons and daughters of Taiwanese citizens around the world.” Anyway, that’s why I signed it….
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