Click here to go to our new forums at http://tw.forumosa.com
If you are a Forumosan Regular, when you log in for the FIRST TIME, you must RESET your password by using the Password Recovery system.

Usernames on the new forums must not contain any SPACES and must end with LETTER or a NUMBER; if yours does, you will be prompted to change your Username
Contact us at admin(at)forumosa(dot)com or @forumosa on Twitter or on our Facebook Page if you have any questions or problems logging back in

Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
Forum rules
While the moderators are happy to help point people in the right direction for legal assistance and to attempt to keep these forums civil and tidy, please bear in mind that an Internet forum is not the place for providing or receiving legal advice or for the creation of any attorney-client privileges or obligations. Also keep in mind that Forumosa and the moderators cannot conduct comprehensive reviews of all laws or legal concepts referenced or discussed within these forums – laws and regulations are updated and amended, interpretations do change, and sometimes the legal landscape can change very fast. Forumosa provides these legal forums for general informational purposes only. By using these legal forums, you agree that the information does not constitute legal or other professional advice and no attorney-client or other relationship is created between you and any other posters on these forums. DO NOT CONSIDER THE FORUMS TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM A QUALIFIED LICENSED ATTORNEY.

Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby myoungabr2 » 14 Aug 2013, 13:15

Hi Feiren,

I agree that there have been several positive changes over recent years. You are correct that the politically sensitive issue would be whether to grant PRC nationals the same path to residency and citizenship as other foreigners, and we have received a clear message in meetings with DPP legislators that this is where they draw the line. Neither party has any objections to the majority of the changes that would affect most readers of this forum, but any comprehensive reform would have to address the PRC national issue and inevitably encounter a vocal opposition from one party, while precluding PRC nationals from the debate would encounter an opposition from the other. There are plenty of other issues that legislators prioritize before reforming immigration policy where there is little impetus for sweeping change other than, as you mentioned, a few legislators enacting reforms over the years.

There are plenty reasons to support this legislation, even if it doesn't incorporate everything we want. Extending PR status to dependents certainly is a big step, one of many that would greatly facilitate the ability of foreigners to work, live and reside here. As you know, the petition is primarily written from the perspective of overseas ROC nationals, but when signing the Petition (www.chn.ge/1bEq0Xq), please do note in the comments section your own personal situation as a foreigner in Taiwan as the same piece of legislation ultimately benefits both overseas Taiwanese and non-Taiwanese foreigners.

Thanks,
Michael
myoungabr2
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
 
Posts: 8
Joined: 14 Jun 2013, 21:40
In Taiwan since: 01 May 2013



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby ichun » 29 Aug 2013, 13:00

Hi Michael,

I am writing to you on behalf of Grazyna Jensen (not a forumosa member). Grazyna is from Poland and advocates the amendment of immigration laws for foreigners working in Taiwan and their families' (spouse & children) rights to acquire an APRC among others.

Grazyna is gathering information from fellow foreigners and their families to present a list of cases to legislators before their decision-making this coming September.

She recently started a Facebook group, Taiwam DREAM https://www.facebook.com/groups/TaiwanDREAM/

She would like to get in touch with you. Could you please contact her? Thanks!

Email:grazyna.jensen@gmail.com
TaiwanDREAM@groups.facebook.com
Skype: grazyna2004
ichun
Grasshopper (cǎo měng)
 
Posts: 75
Joined: 27 Aug 2005, 18:24
Location: Taipei 114



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Mucha Man » 29 Aug 2013, 13:42

Okay, I signed.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

https://www.facebook.com/taiwantemples
Mucha Man
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19980
Joined: 01 Nov 2001, 17:01
Location: Mucha, of course



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Dr. Milker » 06 Jan 2014, 22:36

The Legislative Yuan has finally started looking at those amendments again. I guess all that Ma-Wang bullshit really slowed things down. They reviewed some of them in today's session, and will be looking at more on the 8th. Hopefully we'll seem some results coming out soon!
User avatar
Dr. Milker
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
 
Posts: 636
Joined: 22 Nov 2006, 16:48
Location: Taipei



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby yyy » 19 Apr 2016, 11:33

Amendments fail to protect naturalization, groups say
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/04/19/2003644315 wrote:About 20 campaigners from the Taiwan International Family Mutual Help Association, Taiwan TransAsia Sisters’ Association and other immigrant advocacy groups gathered outside of the Legislative Yuan, shouting for the legislature to remove the “shackles” migrants face when naturalizing.


MOI to help actress Bakurova obtain citizenship
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/04/19/2003644316 wrote:In response to media reports that the Ukrainian government has rejected Bakurova’s application to relinquish her Ukrainian nationality, Chang cited Taiwan’s Nationality Act (國籍法) as saying that if Bakurova cannot obtain the renunciation certificate for reasons beyond her control, and foreign affairs authorities investigate and determine that it is true, then Bakurova does not need to provide the certificate.
yyy
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
Newspaper Copyeditor (bàoshè biānjí)
 
Posts: 413
Joined: 26 Oct 2014, 17:07
Location: Taipei



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby headhonchoII » 19 Apr 2016, 11:44

This has always been the case so no change there right?
Claim to fame: smoothly cruising towards no.11 no.10 on all time greatest poster list.
headhonchoII
Maitreya Buddha (Mílèfó)
 
Posts: 14698
Joined: 26 Aug 2002, 10:40
Location: Taipei



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Icon » 19 Apr 2016, 12:16

Indeed. If you cannot renounce, then the authorities "cooperate" by accepting the fact that you tried. This is used say when Japanese people, who cannot renounce their nationality, show evidence that they, indeed, sent a letter to renounce and it was not accepted. So, the "cooperation" has been established for a long time.

It is part of that "grey area" that taiwan law is. If they want to help you,. they have a back door. If they want to %$#@ you, they also have a legal way to do so.

So the crying and "Thank you, Taiwan!" is necessary, as showing kowtowing and "proper respect" to public officials does speed up the hands of the law. Otherwise, if not properly appeased, their ire is scary.

Taiwan giveth, Taiwan taketh away.

There are way too many people, well, mostly women, and children, in that limbo between "you are not Taiwanese not foreigner".
Lo urgente no deja tiempo para lo importante. Mafalda.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Eat the delicious food. Walk in the sunshine. Jump in the ocean. Say the truth that you’re carrying in your heart like hidden treasure. Be silly. Be kind. Be weird. There’s no time for anything else.
User avatar
Icon
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19075
Joined: 09 Feb 2006, 18:03
Location: Xindian



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby Dr. Milker » 19 Apr 2016, 13:06

Unfortunately, with the new government coming to power soon, those amendments to the Immigration Act could be in limbo for a long time to come. While there are enlightened voices in the DPP when it comes to immigration reform, they usually seem to get drowned out by the xenophobic majority.

And the rise of the social justice warriors of the "Third Force" like the New Power Party (love the fascist name) makes common sense immigration policy even less likely. Because, of course, we've gotta protect our workers from all those insidious foreigners who are "stealing their jobs." Sigh....
User avatar
Dr. Milker
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
 
Posts: 636
Joined: 22 Nov 2006, 16:48
Location: Taipei



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby headhonchoII » 19 Apr 2016, 13:54

Yes it's happening as I predicted, never got why people put so much faith in the DPP to sort things out. The NPP will play to gallery everything changes are proposed too. I've given up expecting any substantial change in the next decade, event he changes proposed were not substantial in terms of citizenship but it was a step In the right direction.
Claim to fame: smoothly cruising towards no.11 no.10 on all time greatest poster list.
headhonchoII
Maitreya Buddha (Mílèfó)
 
Posts: 14698
Joined: 26 Aug 2002, 10:40
Location: Taipei



Re: Lobbying legislators to pass amendments streamlining the Immigration Act

Postby hsinhai78 » 19 Apr 2016, 14:31

headhonchoII wrote:Yes it's happening as I predicted, never got why people put so much faith in the DPP to sort things out. The NPP will play to gallery everything changes are proposed too. I've given up expecting any substantial change in the next decade, event he changes proposed were not substantial in terms of citizenship but it was a step In the right direction.


Why would any foreigner expect benefits from the DPP? The goal of the DPP is to make Taiwan fun for the Taiwanese and keep Taiwan fun for the Taiwanese. Don't be fooled by DPP-legislators like Xiāo Měiqín (蕭美琴, "Hsiao Bi-khim") who appear sympathetic. She does not represent the majority of the DPP - that is the soft underbelly of hicks down South who comment "CCR" under any Apple Daily story that involves a foreign resident.
User avatar
hsinhai78
Gravel Truck Driver (suìshí chē sījī)
Gravel Truck Driver (suìshí chē sījī)
 
Posts: 1384
Joined: 14 Apr 2012, 22:27
In Taiwan since: 01 Aug 2009



FRIENDLY REMINDER
   Please remember that Forumosa is not responsible for the content that appears on the other side of links that Forumosans post on our forums. As a discussion website, we encourage open and frank debate. We have learned that the most effective way to address questionable claims or accusations on Forumosa is by engaging in a sincere and constructive conversation. To make this website work, we must all feel safe in expressing our opinions, this also means backing up any claims with hard facts, including links to other websites.
   Please also remember that one should not believe everything one reads on the Internet, particularly from websites whose content cannot be easily verified or substantiated. Use your common sense and do not hesitate to ask for proof.
PreviousNext




Return to Dual Nationality



Who is online

Forumosans browsing this forum: No Forumosans and 2 guests