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Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Dr Jellyfish » 09 Oct 2013, 18:03

If I could be bothered with all the hassle, I'd renounce my British citizenship so I could gain Taiwanese citizenship. Once I gained my Taiwanese citizenship I could, as a superior Taiwanese citizen, apply to be repatriated in the UK and end up with dual citizenship - *magic*! But, like I said, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle or the fees. It's stupid though, my wife and children have dual citizenship, why can't I have it, Taiwan? What's the deal?

Even though there's little chance of me getting into trouble with the law, it still sucks to know that I could be deported for protecting myself or my family - if we ever became victims of crime and I had no other choice. From reading these forums and the comments of Hsinhai78, I've got the impression that the system is looking for any chance to deport me, whether I was in the wrong or not. I think I'll start carrying a wig/fake beard/disguise around, then if some nutter does randomly attack, I won't think twice about reasoning with them or arguing logically, I could just quickly dispense some vigilante justice and then disappear into the night, or down the side streets. A bit like the opposite of Superman - Crapman perhaps? Before anyone starts filing any law suits - let me just be clear - I don't condone vigilante justice, it was just a joke. Just like having to renounce my original citizenship to gain Taiwanese citizenship.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 09 Oct 2013, 18:12

Dr Jellyfish wrote:If I could be bothered with all the hassle, I'd renounce my British citizenship so I could gain Taiwanese citizenship. Once I gained my Taiwanese citizenship I could, as a superior Taiwanese citizen, apply to be repatriated in the UK and end up with dual citizenship - *magic*! But, like I said, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle or the fees. It's stupid though, my wife and children have dual citizenship, why can't I have it, Taiwan? What's the deal?

Even though there's little chance of me getting into trouble with the law, it still sucks to know that I could be deported for protecting myself or my family - if we ever became victims of crime and I had no other choice. From reading these forums and the comments of Hsinhai78, I've got the impression that the system is looking for any chance to deport me, whether I was in the wrong or not. I think I'll start carrying a wig/fake beard/disguise around, then if some nutter does randomly attack, I won't think twice about reasoning with them or arguing logically, I could just quickly dispense some vigilante justice and then disappear into the night, or down the side streets. A bit like the opposite of Superman - Crapman perhaps? Before anyone starts filing any law suits - let me just be clear - I don't condone vigilante justice, it was just a joke. Just like having to renounce my original citizenship to gain Taiwanese citizenship.


I totally agree with you, it isn't fair.
But as far as migration is concerned, the vast majority of Taiwanese only want it in one direction.

Here's something interesting:

TACL was founded by Shih Chou, Henry Hsu, Li-Pei Wu, Shiyuan Wu, and Vincent Chang on January 14, 1985, in Los Angeles, California to serve as the first and pre-eminent voice for the increasing community of Americans of Taiwanese decent [sic!] or origin and Taiwanese immigrants.


Just the thought of a "Westerner-Taiwanese Citizen League" would creep out most Taiwanese. Especially one comprised of naturalised whiteys lobbying on behalf of ARC/APRC holder.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Zla'od » 10 Oct 2013, 10:26

You know, there should be a rule that gives the OP in any thread the right to delete off-topic posts. I guess this is just my bad karma, for being a troll all these years. Anyway, I appreciate the crucial information that regardless of what the MOE may have proposed or anticipated, no such reforms are on the cards for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Dr Jellyfish » 10 Oct 2013, 14:32

Well, if it ever did happen - it would be great for foreign professors. At the very least it should strengthen the argument for other non nationals being able to gain Taiwanese citizenship without having to renounce their original citizenship.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Hokwongwei » 10 Oct 2013, 15:22

They could, you know, offer decent salaries. That would be an incentive for more foreign professors (and for Taiwanese professors looking for better prospects outside of TW)
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Confuzius » 10 Oct 2013, 19:57

Hokwongwei wrote:They could, you know, offer decent salaries. That would be an incentive for more foreign professors (and for Taiwanese professors looking for better prospects outside of TW)


It does irk me all to hell that you make more money teaching at a buxiban than a university here (based on total hours worked).
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Icon » 10 Oct 2013, 21:33

Well, they do have the special nationality fast lane for people who have special skills. So college professors would fall under this category.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Ermintrude » 11 Oct 2013, 08:52

hsinhai78 wrote:
Dr Jellyfish wrote:If I could be bothered with all the hassle, I'd renounce my British citizenship so I could gain Taiwanese citizenship. Once I gained my Taiwanese citizenship I could, as a superior Taiwanese citizen, apply to be repatriated in the UK and end up with dual citizenship - *magic*! But, like I said, I couldn't be bothered with the hassle or the fees. It's stupid though, my wife and children have dual citizenship, why can't I have it, Taiwan? What's the deal?

Even though there's little chance of me getting into trouble with the law, it still sucks to know that I could be deported for protecting myself or my family - if we ever became victims of crime and I had no other choice. From reading these forums and the comments of Hsinhai78, I've got the impression that the system is looking for any chance to deport me, whether I was in the wrong or not. I think I'll start carrying a wig/fake beard/disguise around, then if some nutter does randomly attack, I won't think twice about reasoning with them or arguing logically, I could just quickly dispense some vigilante justice and then disappear into the night, or down the side streets. A bit like the opposite of Superman - Crapman perhaps? Before anyone starts filing any law suits - let me just be clear - I don't condone vigilante justice, it was just a joke. Just like having to renounce my original citizenship to gain Taiwanese citizenship.


I totally agree with you, it isn't fair.
But as far as migration is concerned, the vast majority of Taiwanese only want it in one direction.

Here's something interesting:

TACL was founded by Shih Chou, Henry Hsu, Li-Pei Wu, Shiyuan Wu, and Vincent Chang on January 14, 1985, in Los Angeles, California to serve as the first and pre-eminent voice for the increasing community of Americans of Taiwanese decent [sic!] or origin and Taiwanese immigrants.


Just the thought of a "Westerner-Taiwanese Citizen League" would creep out most Taiwanese. Especially one comprised of naturalised whiteys lobbying on behalf of ARC/APRC holder.


Xinhai, the vast majority of British people only want it in one direction too. Doesn't make it right or the way a country should conduct itself in the 21st century.

You're discussing Americans, not Jellyfish's country, but still. You think Europe is pro- non-European immigration? Because it really really isn't. You use the words 'creep out'. How do you think a country that groups foreigners as 'westerners' and is 'creeped out' by that group can compete, internationally? Gain the mutual respect of others?
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 11 Oct 2013, 09:04

Ermintrude wrote: I totally agree with you, it isn't fair.
But as far as migration is concerned, the vast majority of Taiwanese only want it in one direction.

Here's something interesting:

TACL was founded by Shih Chou, Henry Hsu, Li-Pei Wu, Shiyuan Wu, and Vincent Chang on January 14, 1985, in Los Angeles, California to serve as the first and pre-eminent voice for the increasing community of Americans of Taiwanese decent [sic!] or origin and Taiwanese immigrants.


Just the thought of a "Westerner-Taiwanese Citizen League" would creep out most Taiwanese. Especially one comprised of naturalised whiteys lobbying on behalf of ARC/APRC holder.


Xinhai, the vast majority of British people only want it in one direction too. Doesn't make it right or the way a country should conduct itself in the 21st century.

You're discussing Americans, not Jellyfish's country, but still. You think Europe is pro- non-European immigration? Because it really really isn't. You use the words 'creep out'. How do you think a country that groups foreigners as 'westerners' and is 'creeped out' by that group can compete, internationally? Gain the mutual respect of others?[/quote]

That's a good point. And most frightening is that the young generation engages even more in the objectification of foreigners or people of mixed ancestry than the older generation. The older generation often did not have the chance to go abroad and experience being a foreigner themselves. Young Taiwanese go abroad and call the locals "foreigners"while back in Taiwan they ask parents of mixed babies questions they would not dare to ask the average non-mixed couple. It's a terrible sinocentric world view at the lowest peasant level and localisation with its associated island mentality has only made things worse. Localisation and the island mentality give people a perfect pretense for being ignorant hicks that point and stare at anyone who doesn't wear blue slippers.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Hokwongwei » 11 Oct 2013, 13:21

hsinhai78 wrote:Localisation and the island mentality give people a perfect pretense for being ignorant hicks that point and stare at anyone who doesn't wear blue slippers.


True story: I actually got pointed and stared at for wearing blue slippers at Jiufen once. I actually heard someone shout "老外穿藍白拖!"
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